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Re: Iran's SSMs (Surface to Surface Missiles)
« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2010, 09:13:02 PM »
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then can you unlock the dedicated anti tank missile threat

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« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2010, 10:18:09 PM »
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then can you unlock the dedicated anti tank missile threat

Is that a thread or a request? Besides, it is not a 'threat' but a 'thread'!!!!

In any case, that 'Anti tank missile' thread was about anything but  anti tank, that is why I locked it.

It will remain locked until I relocated to a non dedicated discussion section.


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Re: Iran\\\'s SSMs (Surface to Surface Missiles)
« Reply #27 on: February 13, 2010, 11:52:23 PM »
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what sajjil 3 would look like
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Re: Iran's SSMs (Surface to Surface Missiles)
« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2010, 09:37:18 AM »
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what sajjil 3 would look like

There is no Sejill 3!

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Re: Iran\'s SSMs (Surface to Surface Missiles)
« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2010, 09:40:41 AM »
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doy you think there wont be one

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« Reply #30 on: February 15, 2010, 05:47:18 PM »
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Some information on large caliber artillery rockets.

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Re: Iran's SSMs (Surface to Surface Missiles)
« Reply #31 on: February 17, 2010, 03:00:47 PM »
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doy you think there wont be one
I think that there is a high possibality that Iranian sciantest working on it.
It is my guess, I think one day one of sejjil version will come out as 3 stage missile
  

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Re: Iran\'s SSMs (Surface to Surface Missiles)
« Reply #32 on: February 19, 2010, 12:04:29 PM »
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i heard iran produce laser gyroscop for missile is that true

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« Reply #33 on: February 19, 2010, 05:16:00 PM »
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I've never seen any pics of such a system but in Feb. 2000 Iran's defense minister apparently showed off a production line of such things at Shiraz Electronic Industries.
http://www.nti.org/e_research/profiles/Iran/Missile/3876_3922.html

From what I have observed about the Shahab-3, my belief is that the Laser Gyroscope is the main guidance element of the Shahab-3B/Ghadr-1 missile, because while they may use GPS for greater accurancy but if they try to use them against a USA ally, US military can simply shut the system done leaving any SSM without a secondary system (in this case Laser Gyro) to be an inaccurate as a Scud....Its also possible earlier models of Shahab-3's were also fitted with Laser Gyroscope but we'll likely never know...
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« Reply #34 on: February 19, 2010, 05:23:55 PM »
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Basic model of a Laser Gyroscope:

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« Reply #35 on: February 19, 2010, 05:25:12 PM »
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isnt the laser gyroscop the latest gadget

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« Reply #36 on: February 19, 2010, 05:31:59 PM »
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Not really they've been around for decades...when Satellite navigation became operational (GPS/GLONAS) laser gyros largely became obsolete in comparision...they aren't perfectly accurate but the beauty of the system is that its largely immune to the vibration of the missile itself making it much more accurate than simple INS systems that guide SCUDs...how accurate in terms of CEP I dont know but it would likely be less than a 1000meters (the basic accurancy of NoDong) and I would guess better than 500meters CEP but again just my opinion

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Re: Iran\'s SSMs (Surface to Surface Missiles)
« Reply #37 on: February 19, 2010, 07:02:49 PM »
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i heard in an interview that the cep was like less than 30 meters

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« Reply #38 on: February 20, 2010, 05:13:44 PM »
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i heard in an interview that the cep was like less than 30 meters
According to the interview with Rahim Safavi back wehn he was still head of the IRGC, he was quoted as saying "naturally a 20-30 meter [deviation] is acceptable"

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« Reply #39 on: February 20, 2010, 06:02:06 PM »
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I've heard such claims about its accuracy but I find very questionable...the only missile in the world that is that accurate is Russian Iskander but there is another thing wrong about the 30meter claim...Civilian GPS (the only type Iran has access to) when used for military reasons has an accurancy of 15-30meters for PGMs (referencing China's FT series of Satellite guided bombs) which hit the ground at much much slower speed and the faster the projectile the more inaccurate it becomes even if it had Military Grade GPS..and the Russian Iskander doesnt rely on GLONASS (russian GPS) it largely relies on its advanced Terminal Radar system for its impressive accuracy...

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« Reply #40 on: February 20, 2010, 11:47:59 PM »
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iranian laser gyroscope..?
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Re: Iran's SSMs (Surface to Surface Missiles)
« Reply #41 on: February 21, 2010, 05:52:38 AM »
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I am posting the full article in your link here!

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Iran Missile Facilities

Shiraz

Subordinate to: Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC)

Location: Latitude 29° 36’ North; longitude 52° 32’ East; 682km south of Tehran; province of Fars

Primary Function: Production of missiles.

Description and Activities:
The missile facility in Shiraz is located 682km south of the Iranian capital, Tehran, in the province of Fars. It comes under the supervision of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and is believed to be a major missile production facility. Shiraz University is also thought to be engaging in missile procurement.

Shiraz is one of the first missile facilities in Iran. During the reign of Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi, this facility was the Iranian Electronics Industries (IEI) missile repair facility. It has become one of several alleged missile production sites in Iran.

In February 2000, Iranian sources claimed that the Defense Ministry began six defense projects in Shiraz, including the production of launchers for the Tufan [Typhoon] heavy antitank missile and “testers” to assist in the repair and maintenance of missiles. In August, Iranian Defense Minister Ali Shamkhani inaugurated a project to manufacture laser gyroscopes at the Shiraz Electronic Industries. This project’s goal was to achieve self-sufficiency in the Iranian missile program.

In February 2001, the Defense Ministry’s electronic industries built a new missile launcher, the Qoqnos Phoenix. It can launch eight Iranian-made Tufan missiles. It is possible that the Shiraz facility was involved in the production of the Qoqnos Phoenix launcher system, which is equipped with a laser distance measurer, night sight, links with control towers, a siren system for announcing the location’s status, a sonic system for psychological warfare, and an internal communications system. It has the ability to move by starlight without any artificial lighting.

Key Sources: Ann Tibbitts Schulz, Buying Security: Iran Under the Monarchy (San Francisco: Westview Press, 1989), p.54; “Mikhail Kirillin: Several U.S. Firms Engaged in Developing Missile Equipment Have Links with Iranians,” Yadernyy Kontrol Dossier in Yadernyy Kontrol (Moscow), March-April 1998, No. 2, Vol. 38, pp.37-43; in “Iran’s Missile Industry, U.S. Missile Development Firms with Iranian Links,” FBIS Document FTS19980605000876, 5 June 1998; “Production of Anti-Tank Missile Launchers Begins,” Vision of the Islamic Republic of Iran Network 1 (Tehran), 5 February 2000; in FBIS Document FTS20000205000864, 5 February 2000; “Defense Minister Inaugurates Project to Manufacture Laser Gyroscopes,” Vision of Islamic Republic of Iran Network 1 (Tehran), 27 August 2000; in FBIS Document IAP20000828000074, 28 August 2000; “Iran: New Anti-Armor Missile System Commissioned,” Voice of the Islamic Republic of Iran Radio 1 (Tehran), 5 February 2001; in FBIS Document IAP20010205000049, 5 February 2001.

http://www.nti.org/e_research/profiles/Iran/Missile/3876_3922.html

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« Reply #42 on: February 21, 2010, 06:30:17 AM »
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NTI is a pretty good site because they keep extensive archives of news articles about WMD/Missiles but they dont update their stuff as often as they prolly should have but when I was in school I would use them in my papers lol...

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Re: Iran\'s SSMs (Surface to Surface Missiles)
« Reply #43 on: February 21, 2010, 01:30:10 PM »
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what do you guys think about r-7 missile are they good to develop for iran

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Re: Iran's SSMs (Surface to Surface Missiles)
« Reply #44 on: February 21, 2010, 01:32:31 PM »
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aryana, why do you put a "\" in the title of your replies?

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Re: Iran's SSMs (Surface to Surface Missiles)
« Reply #45 on: February 21, 2010, 01:33:11 PM »
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i dont it comes up
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« Reply #46 on: February 21, 2010, 06:49:54 PM »
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can they put four sajjil on first stage and put a complete sajjil missile on it so ite becomes a modern icbm

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« Reply #47 on: February 25, 2010, 03:51:32 AM »
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[can they put four sajjil on first stage and put a complete sajjil missile on it so ite becomes a modern icbm]
they already did. Sajjil is solid fuel 2,000 km ICBM Scud. With spy satelite launching capability = Omid satelite.

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« Reply #48 on: February 25, 2010, 06:29:41 AM »
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Ghost, to be considered an ICBM a missile has to have a range of at least 5000km...Iran has no such missile yet..and the Sejil has ZERO connection to Scud missile..the Sejil is a two stage Solid-fuelled ballistic missile and the Scud familly are Liquid-fuelled...

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« Reply #49 on: February 25, 2010, 06:33:44 AM »
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[Ghost, to be considered an ICBM a missile has to have a range of at least 5000km...Iran has no such missile yet..and the Sejil has ZERO connection to Scud missile..the Sejil is a two stage Solid-fuelled ballistic missile and the Scud familly are Liquid-fuelled.]

1) ICMB is any missile that can enter low Earth orbit = 100 - 300 km altitude.

 

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