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ICBM definition from the Dictionary: "a missile that follows a ballistic trajectory and has the range to carry a nuclear bomb over 5500 km"

For Example...the Rocket that carried the US first Satellite was NOT an ICBM but an IRBM (which is shorter ranged than an ICBM)...

There's no such thing! Name one ICBM that isnt armed with a nuclear warhead?...my God you are so ignorant it amazes me...no wonder some people on here have called you "Kid with No brains".....indeed a SLV need not be an ICBM ranged missile as I pointed out but they are not ICBMs...an ICBM is a missile that can carry a warhead to a maximum range of 5500km PERIOD END OF STORY...making baseless statements without any bit of truth and making alot of them will no only irritate the members of this forum its a pretty fast way to get urself banned! Since you've already been warned once maybe you should think about that?

......Get this thru your thick Head...only a missile with a 5500km range or better is considered an ICBM...a missile with a range of 2000km is considered an MRBM (Medium Range Ballistic Missile)...you cant just change the definition of a specific type of Ballistic missile just because it doesnt fit your personal description...either accept that or dont post because your ignorance is ruining this thread..its clear you know NOTHING about ballistic missiles at all and are either making it up as you go or just enjoy hearing your own ignorance...

Here are the Ballistic missile Types:
Tactical Ballistic Missile- 150Km-300Km
Theater Ballistic Missile- 300-3500km (which includes the following subtypes)
-Short Ranged Ballistic Missile- 1000km or less
-Medium Ranged Ballistic Missile- 1000km-3500km
Intermediate Ranged Ballistic Missile-3500-5500km
Intercontinential Ballistic Missile-5500km or greater

BM yes...ICBM no...an ICBM is a very specific definition of a type of Ballistic missile and you cant just use it for any missile you want....and they are not obsolete definitions they are still actively used to define ballistic missile even today with new missiles coming out of Iran, North Korea, India, Pakistan and China....What I've been trying to tell you is by the UNIVERSIALLY accepted defintion of an ICBM Iran has no such missile...the Shahab-3 and Sejil are both considered MRBM (medium ranged ballistic Missile).

Very interesting....those drawings on his slides look just like Planemans! lol...

I'm not really sure if Planeman knows the IMF has been reborn...He has his own blog nowadays when he has posted many of his Bluffer's Guides..

Indeed Israel does exaggerate Iran's missile threat but the Sejil is actually a very frightening missile to Israel because it overcomes one of the Shahab-3's biggest problems...that being Fueling time. Since the Sejil is solid fueled it doesnt have to fuelled before launch...it simply needs to be moved into firing position, erected and fired. This process is likely much faster than the Shahab and doesnt give Israel nearly as much reaction time...Should Iran develop a cross-country TEL for it (similar to SCUD TELs but larger) the Sejil would become a very dangerous missile capable of firing from virtually anywhere in Iran and relocate, rearm, and Fire again very quickly.

the problem is weight...most experts agree that N. Korea has nuclear devices but has not yet been able to miniturazed the devices to fit into a missile warhead and all first generation Nuclear weapons are very very heavy...for example the Little Boy Bomb dropped by the US was so heavy only the B-29 could carry it and when the bomb was dropped the pilots remarked that they could feel the plane's lift up...and that was a small nuclear weapon! Now obviously most modern nuclear weapons are much smaller but such advanced design takes several years AFTER you test your first weapon...and there's one other little problem..

Unless the "satellite" carrying it was designed to survive the re-entry into the atmosphere then it and the warhead would likely just burn up in the atmosphere...contrary to popular belief Nuclear bombs don't go off on impact they have to be set off with trigger device or else it will won't go off...

Such a system would likely be very expensive and once the re-enter the atmosphere (should they survive) how exactly would one guide them? You would first have to know exactly where the satellites are coming down there is no real way to guide them...ballistic missiles more or less work the way your describing and they would be cheaper to mass produce...interesting thot though. Orbital bombardment is similar to what you're describing but such systems have only be theorized and never built (mainly cause having nuclear weapons into orbit is Illegal by treaty) mainly due to cost reasons.

I watched the video and he never said Iran stole any tech from any nation...the only reference he made was that Iran has went from being the student of ballistic missile tech to the teacher when it comes to their relationship with N. Korea and I think that is a very fair statement...and he gave Iran credit for the fact that both the Fateh-110 and Sejil missile are wholly unique to Iran and are not based on any foreign design...and He even give Iranian engineers credit for their Space Launch last year...This thread is just for talking about Iran's ballistic missile programs so if you want to talk about how Israel portrays Iran to the rest of the world I recommend you find somewhere else to discuss it.

how many sajjil variants are there two or three

as I remember there was a sejjil-1 and then after sejjil-2 came, and after that there was sejjil-2 update.
so I call the first one sejjil-2 test that has blue color Sejjil-2A and the next test with green color Sejjil-2B
so basically we have 2 version that its 2nd version has two version.

what is qadr-1 missile is it uprated shahab-3

as I remember there was a sejjil-1 and then after sejjil-2 came, and after that there was sejjil-2 update.
so I call the first one sejjil-2 test that has blue color Sejjil-2A and the next test with green color Sejjil-2B
so basically we have 2 version that its 2nd version has two version.

The Sejil 1/A is the original two-stage, solid-propellant, surface-to-surface missile (SSM) produced by Iran with a reported 1930 km (1200 mile) range. Fired November 12, 2008.

Sejil-2/B is an upgraded version of the Sejil 1/A. The Sejil-2 two-stage solid-fuel missile has a 2,000km range and was first test fired on May 20, 2009. The Sejil-2 SSM is medium-range ballistic missile (MRBM). Improvements include better navigation system, better targeting system, more payload, longer range, faster lift-off, longer storage time, quicker launch, and lower detection possibility

Sejil-2/C (Advanced Sejil 2/B), fired on On December 16, 2009. It is faster during the powered flight portion of its trajectory and also during the re-entry phase. It is also harder to detect for anti-missile systems, as it is covered with anti-radar material. The new highly maneuverable missile is also more efficient as it requires less amount of time for pre-launch preparations.


The Sejil 2/B test.

The designations I have used are mine only. I use them to keep track of the changes. There are three variants in total known thus far. 

why they always officially announce this always fixed range?

The reason is politics. Besides, a range of a missile is relative to the weight of its warhead. The latest Iranian missiles may have a 2000 Km officially but the hidden question is "with what warhead?".



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