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Re: Qiam-1 is now being deliverd to IRGC.
« Reply #125 on: July 12, 2011, 09:06:36 PM »
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your gonna develop a brain tumor in 10 years or be morbidly depressed with all this negativity and hopelessness, Jesus, this is serious.
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That is so true...he got too much negative vibes and everyone feels that.
Feel sorry for his friends and ppl in his close environment.
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« Reply #126 on: July 12, 2011, 09:15:37 PM »
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That is so true...he got too much negative vibes and everyone feels that.
Feel sorry for his friends and ppl in his close environment.
He must have tons of friends :P

loool, I think they all have committed suicide
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« Reply #127 on: July 12, 2011, 11:41:23 PM »
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Numbers,

Here's what I don't understand about your point your trying to make. What evidence is there Iran's first missile warhead would be a fusion device?

There is no argument that fusion devices are more efficient in size and yield but they have always proven more expensive to develop and build which is why most nations first nuclear weapons are fission devices.

So IF Iran choose to build such weapons, it would take longer to develop fusion devices compared to fission devices and as such if they wanted a deterent they should logically develop the device that takes the least amount of time and resources first and develop more advance and compact warheads later.

Also I disagree that Pakistan and N.Korea's nuclear weapons are of western design. THere is no evidence to suggest this. North Korea's devices have been so small and dysfunctional that is more likely they had to design theirs from scratch or else their tests would have been more successful. The Pakistani nuclear designs are more likely based on Chinese designs since they aided their program and since Chinese has likely based some of their warhead designs on western ones, Pakistan's are in turn ultimately descended from Western designs but not likely directly.
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Re: Qiam-1 is now being deliverd to IRGC.
« Reply #128 on: July 13, 2011, 06:39:33 AM »
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There is no argument that fusion devices are more efficient in size and yield but they have always proven more expensive to develop and build which is why most nations first nuclear weapons are fission devices.


Other countries became nuclear when Eagle? 20-30 years ago? Im not saying Iran can make a fusion warhead, im just saying those countries made fission nuclear warheads decades ago.

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Re: Qiam-1 is now being deliverd to IRGC.
« Reply #129 on: July 13, 2011, 03:37:51 PM »
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Other countries became nuclear when Eagle? 20-30 years ago? Im not saying Iran can make a fusion warhead, im just saying those countries made fission nuclear warheads decades ago.

Time's have changed.
iran has fusion tech so it would take few months from obtaining a fission to fusion bombs.
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Re: Qiam-1 is now being deliverd to IRGC.
« Reply #130 on: July 15, 2011, 06:13:26 AM »
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Aryana,

There no evidence of that. Iran has stated they are WORKING on their own fusion research reactor but their only other access to such technology is the Canadian built Tokamak reactor. If having one of those meant you could develop a fusion weapon than half the world should have that technology since those reactors are in a large number of nations.

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Except that's not true. Pakistan tested their first nuclear devices in the late 90's and they were fission weapons and to date most believer fission warheads are the only kind Pakistan has.

Also I'm not saying Iran couldn't produce a fusion warhead shortly after they build their first fission warhead. China tested a H-bombs very soon after their 1st fission test, a record that holds to this day.

I am just saying I see no evidence Iran's FIRST missile warhead will be a fusion warhead since I believe foreign precedent suggests fission warheads are developed first and fusion warheads take longer because of their greater complexity and cost.

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« Reply #132 on: July 15, 2011, 08:28:24 PM »
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Indeed I misspoke but the point remains. The technology used to built that type of fusion device, called a  Inertial Electrostatic Confinement reactor, is actually fairly easy to built and is less complicated than the Tokamak research reactor Iran bought decades ago. So while Iran building such a reactor is a big step in the right direction, it's development has little to nothing to do with developing a fusion weapon.

Fusion weapons obviously fundamentally work the same way as such reactors but how they achieve the actual fusion of atoms is difference than how the reactors work and therefore there is likely no connection between the research reactor and a fusion weapon.

And as I said, Iran could learn more on how to build fusion reactors from their Tokamak reactor then they could from this new research reactor and as such it's development is likely not connected to development of a weapon.

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Re: Qiam-1 is now being deliverd to IRGC.
« Reply #133 on: July 15, 2011, 09:05:10 PM »
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I don't think it is as easy as you mention Eagle. As it is mentioned in the following PhD thesis it was done for the first time in 2004.

http://fti.neep.wisc.edu/pdf/fdm1226.pdf
http://fti.neep.wisc.edu/presentations/bbc_ans02.pdf
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Re: Qiam-1 is now being deliverd to IRGC.
« Reply #134 on: July 15, 2011, 09:50:41 PM »
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AK,

 That type of Fusion confinement, the Inertial Electrostatic Confinement was first suggested in the late 1950's and is actually not considered viable for power generation (unlike the Tokamak design which is the foundation for the first true Fusion Power reactor under design now) and is in comparison much simpler to design and build.

The Wiki page on IEC is rather extensive and includes a large number of proper sources so clearly the technology has existed around the world for decades and Iran has become one of the nations to build one of their own.

In fact in Chapter 2 of the PDF the author clearly states IEC was first develope 40+ years ago.
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« Reply #135 on: July 15, 2011, 10:01:47 PM »
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AK,

Now that I have scanned through the document, I am not sure how you are getting the idea that IEC was only first used in 2004. The concept for it was developed in the late 50's and early 60's and research reactors using IEC were used at various universities across the US decades before this thesis, as the author states!

Chapter 2.1

"The IEC concept dates back to the late 60’s with the work of Farnsworth and
Hirsch [3]. Farnsworth first patented the idea behind IEC [4], and Hirsch built on the
work using a strong, negative, electrostatic potential well to promote fusion reactions.
The large, negative potential drop was found to allow for the acceleration of ions to
energies where the fusion cross-sections are considerable. With six ion guns, Hirsch was
able to produce 3x109 n/s using the D-T reaction at a cathode voltage of 150 kV [3].
In recent years, there have been a limited number of IEC projects around the
world. In the U.S., the University of Illinois [5,6] along with Daimler-Benz [7] first used
IEC for a low power commercial neutron generator. Marshall Space Flight Center has
investigated using the IEC concept for space propulsion [8]. Los Alamos National Lab is
doing work on a unique approach to the IEC concept called the Periodically Oscillating
Plasma Sphere (POPS) [9]. The University of Wisconsin group has been running D-D
since 1991 and is unique in that it also focuses on the D-3He reaction [10]."

So I think the confusion is that while the concept was first developed over 40 years ago, few actual reactors were built til the 90's. This is because IEC is not considered good for power generation compared to other confinement methods but does have a wide variety of other uses but because of its low-energy potential research into IEC likely didn't get near the funding or attentions.

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Re: Qiam-1 is now being deliverd to IRGC.
« Reply #136 on: July 15, 2011, 11:34:54 PM »
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Quotation removed


so is it good or primitive.
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Re: Qiam-1 is now being deliverd to IRGC.
« Reply #137 on: July 16, 2011, 12:00:14 AM »
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Gents,

You are going off topic here. Stick to the intended topic.

Aryana, it is not at all necessary to quote someone's comments in full when you are trying to reply. Use a bit of etiquette and not waste space. I have noticed that at times you quote whole articles in your responses. Others do not have to be forced to see a comment, an article, a long passage and photos twice or at times in multiple times.

Thanks!

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Re: Qiam-1 is now being deliverd to IRGC.
« Reply #138 on: July 16, 2011, 03:20:11 AM »
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Sure Catsoo.

My last bit on the Fusion topic!

Eagle,

In short, IEC is old but radioisotope production utilizing IEC is new. Look at the poster (one of the links in my previous post). If you want more info we have to go to another topic.

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Re: Qiam-1 is now being deliverd to IRGC.
« Reply #139 on: July 16, 2011, 09:36:54 AM »
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Re: Qiam-1 is now being deliverd to IRGC.
« Reply #140 on: July 21, 2011, 01:31:48 PM »
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Numbers,

Here's what I don't understand about your point your trying to make. What evidence is there Iran's first missile warhead would be a fusion device?

Eagle2009,

I have only suggested that Iran's Safir missile can carry one fusion warhead (130 kilograms) and serve as ICBM. I know that Iran does not have any nuclear (fission and fusion) warheads.

Well ICBM does not have to be nuclear. Iran can use conventional submunition warhead for ICBMs and BMs to provide sufficient deterrence.

Personally I am against nuclear warheads. You can have around 10 fusion warheads but not any more than that. Militaries should develop conventional warheads that are as lethal as nuclear ones but do not destroy human cities (resulting in disease, hunger, injuries, cold damage). That may be achieved due to higher accuracy, higher velocity, higher blast casualty but low infrastructure damage of conventional submunition warhead.
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Re: Qiam-1 is now being deliverd to IRGC.
« Reply #141 on: July 21, 2011, 05:34:20 PM »
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Many have forgotten the neutron bomb. Today, not much talk about it.

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Re: Qiam-1 is now being deliverd to IRGC.
« Reply #142 on: July 21, 2011, 06:10:19 PM »
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Many have forgotten the neutron bomb. Today, not much talk about it.
whats there to talk about?

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« Reply #143 on: July 22, 2011, 08:31:53 AM »
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Many have forgotten the neutron bomb. Today, not much talk about it.

Neutron warhead causes similar devastation as fusion warhead. Neutron warhead is fusion warhead without heavy metal shielding that allows warhead to radiate neutrons during fusion burning stage.

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« Reply #144 on: December 21, 2011, 09:34:26 PM »
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Here's what I don't understand about your point your trying to make. What evidence is there Iran's first missile warhead would be a fusion device?
Point is that Iran probably doing something like nuk.warhead in underground so don't except to see any evidence,i don't understand when people say i "don't see something",if you didn't see something doesn't mean that didn't hapen,i don't mean Iran is make fusion nuk.warhead for sure but we simple don't know they don't

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« Reply #145 on: December 22, 2011, 04:53:18 AM »
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All, please on topic here or open  new thread and discuss other subjects there!


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« Reply #146 on: December 22, 2011, 09:54:29 AM »
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Speaking to FNA on Sunday, Deputy Chief of Staff of the Iranian Armed Forces Major General Mostafa Izadi praised the country's military experts, and said Iran's "very good" missile capability has been developed merely by local scientists and academic figures.

General Moqaddam's brother, Mohammad, himself a Guards commander, spoke of a "project related to intercontinental ballistic missiles," which "was in its final phase" and was "completely hi-tech and secret" -- in remarks he later retracted.
The Islamic republic already possesses several types of medium-range missile, some capable of reaching Israel or US bases in the Middle East -- both stated targets for retaliation in the event that Iranian facilities are attacked.

Ayatollah Khamenei, Iran's spiritual leader, ordered the heads of the nation's military, intelligence and security organization to "take all necessary measures to protect the regime," The Telegraph reported.

Iran has repeatedly warned that it would target Israel and its worldwide interests in case it comes under attack by the Tel Aviv. It has also warned that in case of an attack by either the US or Israel, it will target 32 American bases in the Middle East and close the strategic Strait of Hormoz.

The MP further said that Iran proved to the world that the US is not an invincible power after it downed the highly sophisticated drone through hacking its systems.

"Enemies do not know where our power ends," Lieutenant Commander of the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps Brigadier General Hossein Salami told reporters on the sidelines of a Civil Defense gathering in Tehran on Monday.

Earlier the General told the gathering that Iran is growing increasingly powerful, "while the US is losing all its geopolitical points of reliance and all its structured and constructed models are falling apart".

"The influence and clout of the Islamic power is pushing back and washing off the domain of the influence of the arrogant powers (i.e. the US and its European allies)," he added.

The General further added that Iran's notions and ideas are spreading throughout the region and the world fast and this means victory and growing power for the Islamic Republic.

"The Islamic Revolution is moving ahead hopefully and conquering new ruling systems," he stated.

The US and Israel started intensifying their war rhetoric against Iran in mid October, but after they saw Iran's firm response, both Washington and Tel Aviv withdrew from their previous stances.

In response, Gen. Mohammad Ali Jafari, commander of the Revolutionary Guards, ordered units to move Iran's arsenal of long-range missiles to secret sites where they would be safe from attack and could launch retaliatory strikes.

The Iranian air force has also formed "rapid reaction units" that are practicing a response to an enemy airstrike, according to The Telegraph.

Read more on Newsmax.com: Iran's Revolutionary Guards Prepare for War
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« Reply #147 on: December 22, 2011, 08:15:29 PM »
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Warning: Newsmax is a Zionist source!

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« Reply #148 on: December 23, 2011, 03:29:30 AM »
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Newsmax you bastards!!! lol

 

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