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Shahab-3 Missiles........
« on: July 13, 2011, 05:38:58 AM »
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how many shahab-3 missiles are in Iran's inventory?
what is the rate of production per year for the shahab-3?
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Re: Shahab-3 Missiles........
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2011, 06:44:23 AM »
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how many shahab-3 missiles are in Iran's inventory?
what is the rate of production per year for the shahab-3?


its not a known figure, as you can understand why.
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Re: Shahab-3 Missiles........
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2011, 09:04:10 PM »
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how many shahab-3 missiles are in Iran's inventory?
what is the rate of production per year for the shahab-3?


Even if we knew the numbers, we wouldn't disclose it.

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Re: Shahab-3 Missiles........
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2011, 05:01:12 AM »
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i read somewhere that iran has the capability of producing 70 shahab 3 missiles  a year. if this is true, iran would have hundreds of these missiles.

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Re: Shahab-3 Missiles........
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2011, 10:59:09 AM »
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10,000,000,000,000...Fill in the rest of the zeros...

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Re: Shahab-3 Missiles........
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2011, 08:20:10 AM »
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Iran used to buy special Daimler  trucks from Germany to use them as launchers for Shehab3. The German press wrote that they used to buy "1000 trucks per year" !! This took place for years from Germany only... Having in mind that there are other producers of these special trucks (Volvo: owned by Chinese now) ...

The German gov prohibited this selling ... Daimler is not happy about it


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Re: Shahab-3 Missiles........
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2011, 01:28:42 PM »
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Iran used to buy special Daimler  trucks from Germany to use them as launchers for Shehab3. The German press wrote that they used to buy "1000 trucks per year" !! This took place for years from Germany only... Having in mind that there are other producers of these special trucks (Volvo: owned by Chinese now) ...

The German gov prohibited this selling ... Daimler is not happy about it
I don't think there is anything special about the shahab TELs. They're semi-trailers using commercial trucks, which are interchangeable and Iran currently produces thousands of these trucks annually. I heard some reports of Israelis criticizing the German government for exporting these trucks or truck parts to Iran, which were absurd, and I don't think they've had any effect.

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Re: Shahab-3 Missiles........
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2011, 01:57:39 PM »
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From Spiegel.de:
"the German Economics Ministry in April 2008 issued a ban on the export of "trucks with three or more axles and a gross vehicle weight of more than 20,000 kilograms (44,000 lbs)" to Iran and Syria."

True they are commercially available and there are many alternatives.. However they are big trucks :) ... anyway the ban is useless .. the numbers are more interesting!

Whole article:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,630778,00.html

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Re: Shahab-3 Missiles........
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2011, 02:10:23 PM »
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ty, for the link. Though still you can't say all of those trucks were imported for use in TELs. You can't assess the number of the launchers this way either. Abusrd restriction, as I said- there's no practical outcome for Germans and/or Israelis.

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Re: Shahab-3 Missiles........
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2011, 12:10:29 PM »
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The missiles were indigenously developed, and are being mass produced. Iran has a production capacity of 70 units per year

Warhead    One (990 kg/2,200 lb) - five cluster warheads in new models (280 kg/620 lb) each warhead, each warhead can target different destinations.

Flight altitude    400 km

Speed    2.4 km\sec at altitude 10-30km in final stage which is about 7 mach

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahab-3
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Re: Shahab-3 Missiles........
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2011, 07:43:48 AM »
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There are several versions of the so-called "Shahab-3"

The first version flown in 1998 and for a few years thereafter were North Korean Nodong systems, whose max range when armed with a 1000kg payload is roughly 900km (max speed, 2.8km/sec, max altitude is 200km, altitude at propellant cut-off 45km, all assuming a minimum energy trajectory). 

The finalized version of the Shahab-3 is the Ghadr-1 (though other names have been used), which as the stretched propellant tanks and airframe length, aluminum airframe construction and the tri-conic nosecone.  The maximum payload is considerably less than 1000kg because of the limited volume for the new geometry nosecone.   If filled with conventional high-explosive that overall mass is about 700-750kg, with about 600kg of explosive material.  Max range for the 700kg payload is about 1600km, (max velocity 3.7km/sec, max altitude about 400km, altitude at at propellant cut-off is roughly 70km, again assuming minimum energy trajectory).

The Wikipedia information on Shahab-3 is outdated, and contains many technical mistakes...
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Re: Shahab-3 Missiles........
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2011, 03:52:16 AM »
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As a high-speed ballistic missile and pre-mission fuelling capability, the Shahab-3 has an extremely short launch/impact time ratio. This means that the INS/gyroscope guidance would also remain relatively accurate until impact (important, given the fact that the gyrosopes tend to become inaccurate the longer the flight lasts). With that guidance system, the Shahab-3B could achieve an accuracy of around 30-50m CEP or even less. The Iranians have already proved of developing even more precise systems – their Fateh-110 missiles have an electro-optical terminal guidance system. Shahab-3B is not known of having anything similar, but should be fully dependent on INS and, probably, GPS.

These improvements would increase the Shahab-3B’s survivability against ABM systems such as Israel’s Arrow-2 as well as being used for precision attacks against high value targets such as command, control and communications centres.

Masud Yazaiari, spokesperson of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards, warned in the past that Iran would respond to any Israeli efforts to stop their nuclear program. “Their threats to attack our nuclear facilities will not succeed,” Yazaiari said. “They are aware that Tehran's response would be overwhelming and would wipe Israel off the face of the earth” (Maariv, July 27, 2004). In April 2007, Mohammad Baqer Zolghadr, Iran’s deputy interior minister in security affairs, said Iran will strike U.S. interests around the world and Israel if attacked. “Nowhere would be safe for America with [Iran’s] long-range missiles ... we can fire tens of thousands of missiles every day,” Zolghadr said (Haaretz, April 26, 2007).

Shahab-3 is reported to be able to deliver a 2,000+ lbs payload to over 1,300 miles. In general rocket theory, range can be reduced (less fuel weight) to increase payload size. If the payload is a single 2,000-lb high-explosive warhead, the damage would be somewhat identical to that of a Mk-84 drop bomb, which was nicknamed "hammer" during the Vietnam war for its considerable power.

Shahab-3B and higher models, though, carry a tandem-type cluster warhead with up to five 600+ lb bombs that can target different points within a ballistic cone trajectory. CEP is said to be around 100 ft for each bomb. In this case, as the old saying goes, the whole is MORE THAN the sum of its parts and the overall damage is considerably higher. In layman's terms, that is to say a single missile can turn several city blocks into brick and dust.


State TV broadcast footage of deep underground silos, claiming that medium- and long-range missiles stored in them are ready to launch in case of an attack on Iran. The sites are widely viewed as a strategic asset for Iran to launch a strike in the event of a U.S. or Israeli attack on its nuclear facilities.

Col. Asghar Qelichkhani, a spokesman for the war games, said the silos "function as a swift-reaction unit."

"Missiles, which are permanently in the vertical position, are ready to hit the pre-determined targets," he was quoted as saying by state TV.

An officer in Iran's powerful Revolutionary Guard, which is in charge of the missile program, said Tehran has constructed "numerous" underground missile silos which satellites can't detect. He did not elaborate.

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Re: Shahab-3 Missiles........
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2012, 12:07:30 AM »
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Warhead - five cluster warheads in new models (280 kg) each warhead, each warhead can target different destinations.

What kind of guidence do cluster warheads of Shahab-3 have?

Electro Optical guidence with Inertial guidence or only Inertial Guidence?

Cluster Warheads, each with Electro Optical guidence will be able to targer separate buildings and Aircrafts standing on Air Base strips.
The precision of Electro Optical guidence is 10-50 meters.

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« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2012, 01:08:09 AM »
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I fail to see how Iran could have an electro-optical guidance for the shahab for one reason; Syria did try to purchase the Iskandar from Russia not so long ago and when Israel finally heard about this the usual pressure took place and their request was finally declined, probably because it would trigger a "new holocaust" and blablabla as usual. If Iran had such a system on the fateh it would have offered it FOR FREE to Syria and they wouldn't have tried to get the Iskandar. So if Iran had no viable electro-optical guidance for the fateh it could not have any viable electro-optical guidance for the shahab either.
However I do not exclude that Iran succeeded to devellop such capability  for a surface-surface missiles recently, let say in the past 2 years.

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« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2012, 01:11:06 AM »
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I fail to see how Iran could have an electro-optical guidance for the shahab for one reason; Syria did try to purchase the Iskandar from Russia not so long ago and when Israel finally heard about this the usual pressure took place and their request was finally declined, probably because it would trigger a "new holocaust" and blablabla as usual. If Iran had such a system on the fateh it would have offered it FOR FREE to Syria and they wouldn't have tried to get the Iskandar. So if Iran had no viable electro-optical guidance for the fateh it could not have any viable electro-optical guidance for the shahab either.
However I do not exclude that Iran succeeded to devellop such capability  for a surface-surface missiles recently, let say in the past 2 years.
the electrical optical seeker on the Khalij Fars (fateh) missile has only been unveiled about a year ago. 
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« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2012, 01:31:23 AM »
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the electrical optical seeker on the Khalij Fars (fateh) missile has only been unveiled about a year ago.

Yes, this is related to an exchange between me and Numbers where we had a disagreement. It's related to the software complexity to match a target, regardless of the approaching angle (of the missile), the surrounding background, etc...The Khalij Fars aparently use an infrared seeker but since everything around a ship is just water, I don't see the utility for an algorithm to "recognize" a predefined target, it's just necessary to go where you have a spot with a different colour/temperature, regardless of its shape. For a ground target you absolutelly need to store an image, compute the shape it must have with the proper orientation when your missile come from a specific angle, distinguish one building from another, etc.. For a target on the see you just need to spot a contrast. So no the Khalij Fars doesn't prove that Iran has the capacity to guide a missile to a ground target correctly with the same accuracy than the Iskandar.

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« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2012, 03:21:01 AM »
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Yes, this is related to an exchange between me and Numbers where we had a disagreement. It's related to the software complexity to match a target, regardless of the approaching angle (of the missile), the surrounding background, etc...The Khalij Fars aparently use an infrared seeker but since everything around a ship is just water, I don't see the utility for an algorithm to "recognize" a predefined target, it's just necessary to go where you have a spot with a different colour/temperature, regardless of its shape. For a ground target you absolutelly need to store an image, compute the shape it must have with the proper orientation when your missile come from a specific angle, distinguish one building from another, etc.. For a target on the see you just need to spot a contrast. So no the Khalij Fars doesn't prove that Iran has the capacity to guide a missile to a ground target correctly with the same accuracy than the Iskandar.
yes there is no need for complex image processing and tracking algorithms for khalij fars, a single cell rotating infra red seeker (like that used on manpads and sidewinder missiles) is enough to hit a naval target., Now if you want to be more accurate distinguishing an aircraft carrier from a destroyer, a simple classification algorithm using training samples gathered beforehand is enough when used on the output of an imaging infrared.

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Re: Shahab-3 Missiles........
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2012, 05:19:47 AM »
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Global Security gives a figure of 300 +  Shahab-3  Ballistic missiles ... but its a   very schitty website anyway ...

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Re: Shahab-3 Missiles........
« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2012, 08:19:14 AM »
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Global Security gives a figure of 300 +  Shahab-3  Ballistic missiles ... but its a   very schitty website anyway ...

The 300+ number is likely incorrect; it is based on a single Israeli source and is often echoed across the internet and beyond.  A more realistic estimate suggests the number is between 25 and 100, most likely closer to the lower end.  Also, the Shahab-3 is a outdated weapon.  Iran will almost certainly replace it with the much more sophisticated and capable Sajjil-2, once the solid-propellant missile is fully developed and made combat ready. 

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« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2012, 01:53:22 PM »
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Iran will almost certainly replace it with the much more sophisticated and capable Sajjil-2, once the solid-propellant missile is fully developed and made combat ready.
Some Western sources claim that it isn't deployed, others say that Revolutionary Guard units have already deployed a handful of Sejil-2 missiles at Khorramabad, others that it's fully deployed. I'm not expecting Iran to give the location of the TEL just to please the USA

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« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2012, 02:05:07 PM »
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Some Western sources claim that it isn't deployed, others say that Revolutionary Guard units have already deployed a handful of Sejil-2 missiles at Khorramabad, others that it's fully deployed. I'm not expecting Iran to give the location of the TEL just to please the USA

I would be very surprised if the Sajjil-2 is deployed.  There have only been five or six test launches of prototypes of the missile.  Historically, missiles based on solid propellants require three to five times more tests before its performance and reliability can be validated, the bugs worked out of the system.  The Sajjil-2 is a unique missile, designed and developed by Iran. Unlike North Korea's missiles, that are based on proven Soviet technology, or Pakistan's missiles which are actually Chinese systems, the testing needs for a new system are far more extensive.  Ten more tests, at a minimum are needed.

Which begs a question: why only one Sajjil test in the last two-plus years?  Is there a shortage of production materials?  A technical problem that has not been resolved?  Sajjil is a remarkable system; it will require discipline to fully develop it.  The engineers will succeed over time, but why has it not been tested lately?

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« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2012, 02:12:23 PM »
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Which begs a question: why only one Sajjil test in the last two-plus years?  Is there a shortage of production materials?  A technical problem that has not been resolved?  Sajjil is a remarkable system; it will require discipline to fully develop it.  The engineers will succeed over time, but why has it not been tested lately?

Shortage of production material? Perhaps because of the sanctions, however Iran can almost always get what it wants with more money and friendly countries that are eager to help (Venezuella? Iraq? Perhaps even some Pakistanese officials with the proper bribe). On the other hand I'm not sure if Iran would announce all its tests. Not even that the US would make it public each time that they detect a test like this.

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« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2012, 02:38:32 PM »
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Just realized the reasoning behind the name of Sejjil...

Sejjil = baked clay = solid fuel

Maybe for the rest of you this was obvious.

Edit:  According to other sources my realization is wrong, so never mind. Move along.
« Last Edit: March 12, 2012, 02:48:24 PM by rouz »

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« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2012, 03:46:09 PM »
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I would be very surprised if the Sajjil-2 is deployed.

Actually Sejjil 2 is just the operational version of Sejjil. They not call it Sejjil not Sejjil 1 or 2.

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« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2012, 03:56:13 PM »
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Just realized the reasoning behind the name of Sejjil...

Sejjil = baked clay = solid fuel

Maybe for the rest of you this was obvious.

Edit:  According to other sources my realization is wrong, so never mind. Move along.
Sejil is from the Quranic verse about Stones from Sejil that fall from the sky... Shahab is from a Quranic verse as well

 

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