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« Reply #50 on: February 20, 2010, 06:41:14 PM »
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« Reply #51 on: February 20, 2010, 06:43:21 PM »
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Nope...firstly thats an Alvand class Frigate...and those are Noor Launchers and we know where those are on the Mowj...

As to what Ayyash said..I didnt even notice the railing being in the way but it doesnt look like a very sturdy railing so perhaps they can remove it when at sea?
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Re: Iran launches advanced Jamaran destroyer
« Reply #52 on: February 20, 2010, 06:59:42 PM »
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yes Eagle but where the hell is the radar for the standard?

BTW there was a picture in IMF-1 that showed a claimed to be reversed engineered standard

can you also answer my questions from the previous post? thanks
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« Reply #53 on: February 20, 2010, 07:08:51 PM »
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I agree I dont see a radar for it but I was giving my 2 cents so theres no need to get antsy about it jeez...

I watched the videos and I dont see anything between the Fire Control Radar (we think thats what it is anyway) and the Radar Mast so No clue there..

And if you had read the entire thread you would know someone already posted what the AA gun on the rear of the ship is..Bofors 40mm/Fath manned AA gun system

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« Reply #54 on: February 20, 2010, 07:11:29 PM »
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sorry if i sounded bad. thanks for your replay. much appreciated!

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« Reply #55 on: February 20, 2010, 07:22:46 PM »
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I know someone in this thread compared the Mowj to the MEKO 140 and whoever it was is dead on...you compare the Specs and its pretty close both in size, armament, and tech.

MEKO 140 SPECS.
Length- 91.2 meters
Beam- 11meters
Displacement- 1790tons MAX
Speed- 27knots
Propulsion- 2 Diesel engines totally 20,400 hp
Armament- 76mm cannon, 4 Exocet Missiles, 4x40mm guns (2 twin mounts), 2 Triple Torpedo Tubes
Aircraft- 1 helicopter pad

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Re: Iran launches advanced Jamaran destroyer
« Reply #56 on: February 20, 2010, 08:14:18 PM »
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I checked out a picture of the Babr classes, and it looked dead on, even with the pesky hand railing in the way, even the distinctive door.
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Re: Iran launches advanced Jamaran destroyer
« Reply #57 on: February 20, 2010, 08:23:58 PM »
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i think this was an experiment by IRIN to study the building procedure and come up with a better ship. i mean if they have copied this ship and the obvious lack of armaments shows that possibly this was done to test the electronic systems and sub systems in the ship and then build a better one.

just my uninformed though.

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« Reply #58 on: February 20, 2010, 08:44:04 PM »
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Good find Ayyash!

To be honest I've always thought the HQ-7 or LY-60 SAMs would be best for this vessel in terms of missile load and range...IF these are Standard Missile launchers, that would be the major advantage of the system because an SM-1MR has a range of at least 32km and Iran very well could have replaced the Analog sensor components with Digital ones that would enhance its accuracy and means it couldn't be as simply jammed as it would be if it was just a copy of the SM-1MR...just my thoughts

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Re: Iran launches advanced Jamaran destroyer
« Reply #59 on: February 20, 2010, 09:13:18 PM »
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Iran very well could have replaced the Analog sensor components with Digital ones that would enhance its accuracy and means it couldn't be as simply jammed as it would be if it was just a copy of the SM-1MR...just my thoughts

does that also mean that the mounted air search radar can be used for the guidance of the standard?

also if the standard missile is much heaver then my suggestion about increasing the engine power is in the right direction? -due to increase weight of additional missiles launchers will affect the speed of the ship.
because even if a grater range is available, there are only two missiles and air craft might be able to doge them and carry on. while if there were more then two missiles fired then the aircraft would loose energy and not be able to maneuver as much to dough and let the chaff distract the missile.


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Re: Iran launches advanced Jamaran destroyer
« Reply #60 on: February 20, 2010, 09:25:35 PM »
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I doubt the few thousands kilos of weight this launchers add would adversely effect the speed of this vessel..most naval vessels can take on  many TONS of cargo without lossing much speed so I doubt these launchers would slow it down much if at all. And to be honest 30kts is a good speed for a light frigate/corvette...especially if its primary role is similar to the Alvands which is partol where speed isnt necessarily needed and range is the primary need.

Also it is entirely possible the Large radar could guide a Standard-type missile and that could explain the modifications to it.
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« Reply #61 on: February 20, 2010, 09:51:55 PM »
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looks the same to me. i dont know man. i dont get it.

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« Reply #62 on: February 21, 2010, 03:02:21 AM »
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Re: Iran launches advanced Jamaran destroyer
« Reply #63 on: February 21, 2010, 04:27:30 AM »
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70 ton?
width 26 meter? and length 100 meter?

some thing about a cannon? -76, 40, 20 millimeter?

did the ministry of defense provide some info in the ship?

a bit of translation please. thanks

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Re: Iran launches advanced Jamaran destroyer
« Reply #64 on: February 21, 2010, 05:39:56 AM »
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Iran Unveils Major Defensive Project


TEHRAN (FNA)- Iran on Friday launched its first home-made destroyer equipped with guided missile systems as one of the country's greatest defensive projects.


The Jamaran destroyer was launched in the southern waters of the country in a ceremony on Friday attended by senior navy commanders and Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyed Ali Khamenei.

The Mowdge Class vessel has a displacement of around 14,000 tons and is equipped with modern radars and electronic warfare capabilities.

Jamaran, a multi-mission destroyer, can carry 120-140 personnel on board and is armed with a variety of anti-ship and surface-to-air missiles.

It has a top speed of up to 30 knots and has a helipad.

The vessel has also been equipped with torpedoes and modern naval cannons. The destroyer's launch marks a major technological leap for Iran's naval industries.


Iran has been pushing an arms development program in recent years in a bid to reach self-sufficiency. It has produced its own jet fighters and armored vehicles as well as radar-avoiding missiles and other high-tech weapons.

The Islamic Republic of Iran is also capable of manufacturing various kinds of naval vessels such as missile cruisers and destroyers.

The Iranian Navy announced in August that it plans to boost production of different types of home-made vessels.

Also in April, Commander of the Iranian Army Major General Ataollah Salehi announced that Iran plans to manufacture the largest destroyer and the most advanced submarines in the region.

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8811300813
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Re: Iran launches advanced Jamaran destroyer
« Reply #65 on: February 21, 2010, 06:02:09 AM »
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That 14,000 ton thing is just buggin me to death! lol....

As to the Large radar..when you look at the dishes they are almost identical but I think there is a small attachment on the very top of the dish that doesnt appear on pics of the AWS-1 but regardless the AWS-1 is a pretty useful radar system capable of being used simply as an Air Search system, a Surface/Air search system so they might as well keep the same basic design.

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« Reply #66 on: February 21, 2010, 06:15:53 AM »
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  Iran's New Destroyer Capable of Conducting 6 Simultaneous Missions

TEHRAN (FNA)- Iran's first home-made destroyer, equipped with guided missile systems, is capable of accomplishing six simultaneous missions, thanks to the advanced technologies used in the vessel, commander of the Islamic Republic naval forces said.
   

Commander of the Iranian Army's Naval Forces Rear Admiral Habibollah Sayyari made the remarks in an interview with Iran's state-run TV, saying Jamaran destroyer can defend itself against under-water, surface and air attacks simultaneously.

"Several information, electronic warfare, anti-electronic, radar, missile, under-water torpedo-launching and sonar systems and technologies have been used in different stories of the destroyer," he said.

Noting that Iranian engineers and experts have not used reverse engineering in manufacturing the destroyer, Sayyari reiterated that the vessel enjoys the capability to carry choppers and different kinds of missile systems.

The destroyer has successfully passed different preparatory tests and can sail in any part of the Indian Ocean, he said.

The commander also pointed out that Iran's Navy has optimized all its units in the Gulf of Aden.

Elsewhere, he referred to Iran's capabilities in building submarines, and stressed that there are a few countries which can manufacture submarines in different sizes.

"But Iran can produce the submarines needed for its chain of defense today," Sayyari said.

The Jamaran destroyer was launched in Iran's southern waters in a ceremony on Friday attended by senior Navy commanders and Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyed Ali Khamenei.

The Mowdge Class vessel has a displacement of around 14,000 tons and is equipped with modern radars and electronic warfare capabilities.

Jamaran, a multi-mission destroyer, can carry 120-140 personnel on board and is armed with a variety of anti-ship and surface-to-air missiles.

It has a top speed of up to 30 knots and has a helipad.

The vessel has also been equipped with modern naval cannons. The destroyer's launch marks a major technological leap for Iran's naval industries.

Iran has been pushing an arms development program in recent years in a bid to reach self-sufficiency. It has produced its own jet fighters and armored vehicles as well as radar-avoiding missiles and other high-tech weapons.

The Islamic Republic of Iran is also capable of manufacturing various kinds of naval vessels such as missile cruisers and destroyers.

The Iranian Navy announced in August that it plans to boost production of different types of home-made vessels.

Also in April, Commander of the Iranian Army Major General Ataollah Salehi announced that Iran planned to manufacture the largest destroyer and the most advanced submarines in the region.

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8812011461

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Re: Iran launches advanced Jamaran destroyer
« Reply #67 on: February 21, 2010, 06:21:15 AM »
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Also in April, Commander of the Iranian Army Major General Ataollah Salehi announced that Iran plans to manufacture the largest destroyer and the most advanced submarines in the region.


Talk about senseless announcements!


http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8812011491



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Re: Iran launches advanced Jamaran destroyer
« Reply #68 on: February 21, 2010, 06:26:39 AM »
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Talk about senseless announcements!


http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8812011491



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Obviously he is not including the US Navy (as they are not a regional navy but a foreign force)

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« Reply #69 on: February 21, 2010, 06:33:26 AM »
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Depends on if he's talking about the Navals vessels actually BUILT in the region in which he would actually be pretty accurate...though the new Stealthy Corvettes the UAE is building (from parts built in europe I think) would be pretty close in size and much more advanced..

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Re: Iran launches advanced Jamaran destroyer
« Reply #70 on: February 21, 2010, 08:23:41 AM »
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You were spot on eagle, it is the standard missile.



Here is some more information on it from planeman.

Standard SAM
Iran has reverse engineered the SM-1 Standard naval SAM missile and employs variants as both surface-to-surface and surface-to-air systems, possibly with the local name “Fajr”. The success and extent of service of the system is open to question, and it is thought that the Iranian Navy, who had fitted a Kaman class missile boat with the system after the retirement of the sole Babr class destroyer (Allen M Summer class FRAMII) which had carried 4 twin boxed launchers, and also trialed an air-launched anti-ship version, has retired the system. The reverse-engineered missile is claimed to have several enhancements including digital components allowing it employ different radar frequencies. In the SAM role the Fajar is fired from twin as per the SM-1 system on Babr, which are now mounted on an adapted I-Hawk SAM launcher. Performance is not known but is likely to be similar to the SM-1MR (RIM-66A Block-IV) naval missile, having a range of about 32km; significantly shorter than the I-Hawk.



Why did they put a manned 40mm Bofors cannon at the back? We already operate better CIWS. It would be pretty sweet if they managed to put a Kashtan CIWS armed with the SA-N-11 missile on it, or at the very least the AK-630 or even the AK-230. Do you guys think that thay will add the FM-80 SAM at the front in the future?
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Re: Iran launches advanced Jamaran destroyer
« Reply #71 on: February 21, 2010, 10:52:39 AM »
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a bit of translation please. thanks

I see a section about the use of an X-band air defense radar.

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Re: Iran launches advanced Jamaran destroyer
« Reply #72 on: February 21, 2010, 12:06:54 PM »
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maby it is a upgraded sm-1 missile
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Re: Iran launches advanced Jamaran destroyer
« Reply #73 on: February 21, 2010, 12:48:45 PM »
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Does anyone have any more pictures of the models of the ship? Also, does anyone know what the 25 mm CIWS that it was supposed to have was?

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Re: Iran launches advanced Jamaran destroyer
« Reply #74 on: February 21, 2010, 03:58:54 PM »
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Here is a copy of Standard missile in the last military parade!

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