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When Iran unveiled Karar-110 UAV, They showed a prototype of karar equiped with two Kowsar missiles.

With or without booster? There are also some issues with the aquisition radar... Iam not sure if its enough to rely only on the terminal radar as its range is not that long.

Iam not saying its impossible, but hard ... If you manage to get karrar close to a target then would be better to smash it with the target that to fire two small missiles...

This is video of full report by IRINN TV, shows parts of Zafar missile:
http://delagah.persiangig.com/video/IRINN_02_04_2012_22_13_26-Zafar-Cruise-missile.rar

Please anyone upload it on Youtube

Is it possible to install this missile on Bavar flying boat?

...There are also some issues with the aquisition radar... Iam not sure if its enough to rely only on the terminal radar as its range is not that long...

Obviously there is a big disadvantage in having to cede air superiority to your enemy (which, let's face it, is very likely in a war with the Empire and its lapdogs ). There's also an unexpected advantage, however. Once Iran has declared its airspace and (a large part of) the PG off limits to civilian use, everything still flying and floating must be military, hostile (see above) and hence a legitimate target. So acquisition isn't really necessary. Heck, why stop at Kowsars and Zafars? You could just as well arm the Karar with AAM's and send it in the general direction of an incoming sortie, chances are anything within a 10-20km radius they will then choose to home in on, will be an enemy craft in the air and Iran's own missile platforms, like for example another Karar or fast attack boat, will be either expendable or too small and fast to hit.

...Iam not saying its impossible, but hard ... If you manage to get karrar close to a target then would be better to smash it with the target that to fire two small missiles...

That's what cruise missiles are for, the Karar is meant to be RE-usable I believe.

Obviously there is a big disadvantage in having to cede air superiority to your enemy (which, let's face it, is very likely in a war with the Empire and its lapdogs ). There's also an unexpected advantage, however. Once Iran has declared its airspace and (a large part of) the PG off limits to civilian use, everything still flying and floating must be military, hostile (see above) and hence a legitimate target. So acquisition isn't really necessary. Heck, why stop at Kowsars and Zafars? You could just as well arm the Karar with AAM's and send it in the general direction of an incoming sortie, chances are anything within a 10-20km radius they will then choose to home in on, will be an enemy craft in the air and Iran's own missile platforms, like for example another Karar or fast attack boat, will be either expendable or too small and fast to hit.

Fighting asymmetric is good.  But fighting blind and hoping to hit is bad

Karrar not been seen lately at all. System is there? One could not see him on maneuvers.

We couldn't see any other drones (except target drones) during maneuvers too.but surly there is a manufacturing plant as we could see it in the pics.

Bump. Sorry, major editing!

...There are also some issues with the aquisition radar... Iam not sure if its enough to rely only on the terminal radar as its range is not that long...

Obviously there is a big disadvantage in having to cede air superiority to your enemy (which, let's face it, is very likely in a war with the Empire and its lapdogs ). There's also an unexpected advantage, however. Once Iran has declared its airspace and (a large part of) the PG off limits to civilian use, everything still flying and floating must be military, hostile (see above) and hence a legitimate target. So acquisition (ACQ) isn't really necessary. Heck, why stop at Kowsars and Zafars? You could just as well arm the Karar with AAM's and send it (already in the vicinity on patrol) in the general direction of an incoming sortie (detected by the primary ACQ radar). Chances are anything within a 10-20km radius the missiles will then choose to home in on, will be an enemy craft in the air (so platform doesn't really need secondary ACQ) and Iran's own missile platforms, like for example another Karar or fast attack boat, will be either expendable or too small and fast to hit.

...Iam not saying its impossible, but hard ... If you manage to get karrar close to a target then would be better to smash it with the target that to fire two small missiles...

That's what cruise missiles are for, the Karar is meant to be RE-usable I believe.

All these (short range missile) platforms are also meant as range extenders adding the range to the ACQ radar command to that of the missiles: in case of water craft likely just 10-20km but of a UCAV (Karar, cheap and reusable) 100-200km! (dependent on cruising altitude)... how many expensive "stand alone" AAMs or AShCMs (or even "Persian Gulf"AShBM) does Iran have with this kind of range?!
 

This is starting to piss me off...

why cant  Iran make it's own stuff, everytime we make something it is bases on some russian or chinese stuff..
i dont care if its upgrdraded or that its cheaper to just upgrade other things, but we need to start designing our own stuff.

all of Irans cruise missile look the same as the chinese, and the outsiders just laugh when we unviled this and said its a chinese copy.

i can understand your feelings.. However at the moment its not important how things look like or where do they come from... Its not a beauty show or a car show ... you dont want to know what kind of things defeated israel in lebanon or usa in iraq ... rusty old weapons ...

you develop a new thing only when it is needed ...

This is starting to piss me off...

why cant  Iran make it's own stuff, everytime we make something it is bases on some russian or chinese stuff..
i dont care if its upgrdraded or that its cheaper to just upgrade other things, but we need to start designing our own stuff.

all of Irans cruise missile look the same as the chinese, and the outsiders just laugh when we unviled this and said its a chinese copy.

I understand what you mean. But the matter is: We must develop equipment in a very short period of time. We can design our own weapons but it will take more money/time than using an existing successful platform. This will remove the time for fixing design flaws. Let me make an example for you. It is the story of Chinese HQ-61 SAM.
China was in need of a short range anti air point defense missile system for it's warships. System was designed and prototypes were built. But they failed in tests. Chinese changed the design and started to test in the land first. After a while, tests became successful. But as they went for sea launch, failures appeared again. The missile went undergo several redesigns until it was successfully tested in sea. The whole process took 15 years.
But let me tell another story for you again about Chinese and their point defense SAMs.
Chinese wanted another point defense SAMs as HQ-61 became obsolete. They could again design a brand new missile but decided to reverse engineer Crotale SAM. This time process took only 6 years before they could produce their own versions of Crotale. That was because crotale was a complete system with it's flaws removed in tests before.

I hope this would have helped.

clearly at least two versions of the missile. one is a long version (with big fins) and one is a short version.

Mayday,

There are not two missiles as you think. What you are showing in the images posted are misleading perhaps but there is only one missile. The one with control surfaces is the rear section of the missile with no fixed fins attached. Pay attention to the masking tape on the missile. That is where excavate where the large fin will be mounted. As for the red cap, Iranian military is using the same half spherical caps for both unassembled sections as temporary protective gears. This is nothing new, we have seen this before on other Iranian ASHM missiles before.


Catsoo

Aspahbod,

Your photos confirm my observation. The large fins are essential to the missile as stablizers, equally their absence would create stability problems. Read what I wrote to Mayday more carefully.


Catsoo

Castoo jan. Wings are yet to be attached. These missiles are ready to be put into containers. You can see that they put missiles in containers without wings attached. Look at this pic:

Agreed! But what you conclude is wrong. Also, a minor importance but have you noticed the name of all these is Zafar with no variation? Ii.e. : No Zafae 1 Vs. Zafar 2. If there were variations they would certainly carry a different designations as any military does. Heck, accordingly, there was not any announcement to suggest that thee are two types of Zafars either! But the photos are by themselves proof that there is only one type of these class of missiles, later is a different story such as heli-mounted Zafars which I do expect.



Catsoo

new video of zafar launch from different angle.

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