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I dont think they should waste money making it tbh, the other boats they make the really fast ones would be better in my opinion. they should make something that can go underwater on water and fly :)

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The video shows a two seater one as well, why would that be needed? Also, can they fly on land?

They could perhaps be more practical than boats on the marshlands bordering Iraq...but other than that I see no real need for them. Stealthier boats would be a better investment imo.


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I agree while it appears cool the money would have been better well spent elsewhere
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Bavar-2









  
Last Edit: September 28, 2010, 11:37:39 PM by AminCo

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flying boat then this does not work? or use it would be useful?

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a different picture of Bavar-2

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Stealth flying  boats join IRGC fleet
Tue Sep 28, 2010 4:59PM

Over 10 Bavar 2 flying boats have been delivered to the IRGC.
Iran takes the design and manufacturing of domestic-built military hardware to a new level by delivering stealth flying boats to the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC).


"Bavar 2," is a radar-evading fixed-wing seaplane capable of patrol and reconnaissance missions. At least 11 flying boats joined the IRGC fleet on Tuesday after an official ceremony.

Iranian Defense Minister Brigadier General Ahmad Vahidi said the new delivery was in line with the country's efforts to boast regional security.

"Equipping the country's Naval and Armed forces with advanced and modern weaponry will bolster the stability and security of the region and play an effective role in consolidating Iran's deterrent power," a statement on the Defense Ministry's website quoted Vahidi as saying.

The country has finished several major defense projects this year, despite several rounds of UN Security Council sanctions targeting Iranian military and financial sectors over Western allegations that Tehran is following a military nuclear program.

Iran will soon unveil and launch the second generation of Jamaran destroyers, Sina class frigates as well as a new generation of submarines, Commander of the Iranian Army Major General Ataollah Salehi announced last Wednesday.

In August, the Iranian Navy was equipped with four more domestically-made stealth Ghadir class mini-submarines.

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Last Edit: September 29, 2010, 01:28:23 AM by AminCo

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For a good while I was scratching my head that how with such a small engine Bavar2 can carry any weapons at all. But once I saw the two seater version, I was convinced that it can carry a 100 Kg load. Now, as far as missiles are concerned, I have no idea where that missile would be launched from. Definitely a composite craft such as this one flying low will have a low CS to the radar especially in a 100 % humidity climate such as Persian Gulf. Nevertheless, Bavar2 must get close enough to its target to be within the small missile's range. But being as noisy as it is and as close as it must come to its target, I don't see its military role beyond an observation post.

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can we have the 2 seat Bavar-2 here?

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for night vision observation missions I think this would be good paint it black

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I'm sorry guys, coming from a layman, other than training or even selling them commerically, or even perhaps the fruition of a pet project by an 'up and coming favorite', these things look like a joke.

C'mon.

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for the coast gaurd like observation they could be good or search and rescue but as far as military value in lets say a war then yes they are useless, Iran could get into the civilian market with these also and make some side money

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I don't see this craft performing any combat duties.However,it's useful for search and rescue missions.And more importantly for coastal border patrols.It can cover long distance quicker than patrol boats and alert of any smuggling activities by giving precise location of smuggling vessels.From what i see,it could be a prototype for something that can be further developed by engineers in future with more capabilities.
So this may not be the wonder weapon as some expected but a start of good things to come.At least no state in the gulf region has been able to produce this.To say it's a waste is not being kind..Just a thought.. :)

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A  nice machine. Like the Volkesjager from the jerman in the war can this be an weapon that fill a gap. Also when the airstrips are destroyed this machine can still be used. On different sites i read that the americans shoot this thing easy down.....But like in the second war when the germans had the best machines. A simpel weapon in bigger numbers can make a differents.

But beside that i think it is a nice coastal patroll machine.

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For coastal patrol or any form of reconnaissance, a light plane would be better...

I really wonder why they have invested money in this project lol. Although, it could very well be that the military simply has sponsored a university project (they mention something regarding this in one of the videos). Innovation tends to be inefficient and based on trial and error and we shouldn't always expect great results.

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MSNBC's Laurence O'Donnell poking fun at these 'flying boats'.  I have to reluctantly agree with him.  BTW, for those who don't know, MSNBC, by low American standards, is the most liberal and truth speaking of the networks. Again, relatively speaking.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/39411342#39411342

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Last Edit: September 29, 2010, 03:52:07 PM by mamdali

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didnt they show it in 2006
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Russian project in the 70's looks very similar to the Bavar2

http://www.ekranoplan.flybb.ru/topic126.html

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MSNBC's Laurence O'Donnell poking fun at these 'flying boats'.  I have to reluctantly agree with him.  BTW, for those who don't know, MSNBC, by low American standards, is the most liberal and truth speaking of the networks. Again, relatively speaking.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/39411342#39411342

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His comments are totally stupid! Comparing Bavar-2 with B-2 and imaging and data transmission capabilities Iran has to a blackberry! That's stupid.
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I really don't see the use of these vehicles in the military... even for the limited goals they're meant for, we have better alternatives.... though they're good for crossing certain areas between Iran and Iraq.... but... meh...

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US has to engage these boats long time before they are within reach of its navy.

Failure to do so will result the navy ships to take serious hit or even be sunken.

The only way to do this is use aircrafts, since these boats will fire their missiles long time before they are within range of the navy ships guns. Also the number of these boats make the navy's defense system overwhelmed. I do not think it is possible to target these small and high speed boats with canons.

If we know the probability of a hit by US aircraft with a target moving at such high speed, how many bombs they can carry each, then it is a very simple to emulate/simulate the situation in a computer game to see how many ships is needed to defeat a US aircraft carrier fleet.

I think as a counter physiological war. Iran should make such a game, put it online so people can experience it.

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