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Turkey launched its first domestic built war ship Heybeliada. How this compares to Jamaran? Which is more advanced?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgem_class_corvette

The design of the turkish ship looks more modern for me... And it seems they did it in a short time ( 3 years?)

Video of the ship:

GÖRÜNMEZ SAVAŞ GEMİSİ TCG HEYBELİADA - STEALTH WARSHIP-MILGEM CORVETTE	Small | Large

It's all nice a well..But Eagle jan..I think it's somewhat wrong to compare Iran's Jamaran to the Turkish one..Mind you Iran build her ship under massive western sanctions that are aimed at preventing Iran from obtaining such tech in the first place..The Turks on the other hand can pretty much buy all the components they need to assemble the ship as they not under any sanctions...Got my drift?

We need to wait for the jamran 2 , they said its much more advance.

Impera,

Not sure what you're getting at, you second quote proves exactly what I said. The Milgem class (which are also known as the F-100 class) will be armed with the Evolved SeaSparrow (which is carried by the Mark 41 VLS) and the RIM-166 RAM system. That is exactly what I said before. The vessel Heybeliada hasn't be fitted with the Mk 41 yet because it is the first of the class. The second vessel of that class, the Büyükada will be fitted with both systems and this will be standard from the vessel on.

Reza18,

the8march is the one who started this thread wanting to know how the two vessels compared, excuse me for trying to answer his question.

the8march,

Actually the Milgem hull design was done in Turkey, it is not a foreign design simply assembled in Turkey. So clearly they are capable of designing such a vessel. Also almost all the electronics are also of Turkish origin. The main components of the vessel that are imported are the weapons.

And for the record, the main reason the C-802 was able to hit the Saar 5 class vessel (not Saar 4.5, there is a HUGE difference) was the crane that is attached to the helipad was exposed and not inside the hangar it usually was. This is why there was so little damage done to the vessel. The missile was homing in on the exposed crane and hit it, not the hull itself. If the C-802 had actually hit the hull at the waterline like it normally does, the Saar 5 would be at the bottom of the Med, not returning to port UNDER ITS OWN POWER. So if the C-802 was fired at the similarly stealthy Milgem, there's no knowing how well it could have homed in on it for sure, but using the INS Hanit incident is a bad example since it was the Hanit's stealthy design that likely saved it from being sunk in the first place.

Also, I never said the Harpoon was superior to the Noor in the first place. I just said the Milgem will care twice the missiles.

Eagle2009,

It seems that the Milgem was designed in Turkey and not reverse engineered. But there are some similarities with the German MEKO ships. But this is fine. I think they did a good job here.

As for the anti ship capabilities, as i said, Iran can install more missiles if they want. I dont find this problematic. From the combat history of Harpoon and Nour, it seems they are both effective. I am afraid a thorough comparison of the performance is not possible with the few data we have.

 i really doubt that the Jamaran will come into a ship to ship combat in case of war. Most probably will be facing aircrafts. So the air defense is the most important. And the systems produced by Iran are still not combat proven. In the Lebanon war 2006, they were either not used or not effective!

we have this one coming soon aswell

Mowj Class Ship, 2nd Building Footage (2nd Jamaran Frigate)	Small | Large

Heybeliada doesnt use phased array radar so most likely Jamaran will surpass Heybeliada on this field (I guess after development of naval SAM, gennerally Jamaran will surpass Heybeliada at the feild of air-defence, but for such judgment we should wait to see Do really Iranian produce their own naval SAM and do they eauip Jamaran by it or not)

but it seems next Milgem Class will use ASELSAN phased array radar, I find a phased array radar of ASELSAN , a 3d radar with the name of ADR (I dont know they want to use this radar on Milgem or not):


Intrestingly it is very simlar to 3d AN-MPQ-64 sentinel radar:



And whats your opinion about similarities of US freedom class warsips and this milgem class corvette :




Now I can guess how much of their technologies are really domestical and original; and how they can design, develop, test and produce their warships domestically at such short time.

US freedom class and Milgem are similar. They made use of the designs of the ships they have. If Iran had access to such modern ships, they would have used them in the design as well.

The difference is that when Iran builds a weapon based foregin weapons , she builds it by reverse engineering (and domestical modifications like below images ) by herself. But certainly Turks recieve direct help and technology from their foreign partners.
They dont need to study the original weapon, design , build , test and then again modify design , build , test ... and finnaly reach to start point of problem of mass production of it.
I believe they directly use foreign core technology inside a new cover and Turkish brand.

These are images of angular coordination block of original S-200 system and Iranian built version of the same block :



 

MATF,
Very nice images. The original design seems very old. The Iranian version is definitly more modern however not to standards of 2011. There is a date on the photo, 25.04.87. Is this persian calender or normal western?

I guess it is persian

Eagle
How many stealth frigate and corvette do you now with similar design to design of these freedom and Milgem class warships?
Similarities of these two warship is more than general similarities between all stealth warships.

I dont say they are the same design, but I guess Turkey has benifited direct help of Americans and their design.

whats your opinion about their ADR radar? Do you beleive its original and domestical?
Turkey is going to build a medium to longrange phased array radar that shares important features with GroundMaster radars that is another product of ThalesRaython.

irans conventional military is a joke, in time for war our missiles will be our real weapons.

and our speed boats!

the future is missiles, missiles and missiles of all types. Iran making the correct decision investing heavily on missiles

Even more important than both is, intel., IT and military hackers, the best of the best at computer science that train all their lives to thwart enemy computers.

The fact is, even as our missile technology improves, their anti-missile defense and every other sort of technology will also improve, perhaps even faster as they are much larger than us and have more resources, and far more scientists and engineers available to their populations.

The one commonality between all future military technologies is use of cutting edge computer programs. Even without the best hardware, having the most competent of hackers and supercomputers for cracking enemy computers and intercepting / decrypting communications will make most of their technical edge at least unreliable.

In addition, you don't need lots of foreign technology to train the best hackers, or to build up a significant military IT industry cooperation, or to make your own software.

I cannot understate the importance of competent computer scientists, hackers, IT people, and relevant technologies for future conflicts!