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Catsoo · « **on:** February 09, 2012, 08:29:57 PM »

Report: Iran adds 2 submarines to naval fleet

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) – Iran's official news agency reported Thursday that the navy has added two more domestically built light submarines to its fleet.

By Kamran Jebreili, AP
The move is seen as part of Iran's effort to upgrade its defense capabilities amid escalating tension with the West over its nuclear program. Tehran has threatened to close the strategic Strait of Hormuz, a major oil shipping route, over new U.S. sanctions targeting its critical oil industry.

The report by IRNA quoted Iran's navy chief Adm. Habibollah Sayyari as saying the Ghadir class submarines meet the needs of the navy.

In November, Iran said it added three more Ghadir class submarines to its naval fleet. This class of submarine can fire missiles and torpedoes and operate in the Gulf's shallow waters.

Iran is believed to have about 12 light and three Russian-made submarines in its fleet, but it does not disclose the total numbers.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/story/2012-02-09/iran-submarines/53030084/1

PeRXeRs · « **Reply #1 on:** February 09, 2012, 08:32:11 PM »

some seconds too late...

The original report:

http://irna.ir/News/Politic/Two-new-Submarines-join-navy-fleet/30809838

Emirzaad · « **Reply #2 on:** February 09, 2012, 08:41:30 PM »

More Ghadirs ? ... 19 Ghadirs now ...

Emirzaad · « **Reply #3 on:** February 09, 2012, 08:52:04 PM »

IMO Iran is going the North Korean approach in Naval terms . They have some 60-70 light subs .
Around 45 subs to guard Persian gulf armed with Hoot would be the nightmare for enemy in sea .

maydayfire · « **Reply #4 on:** February 10, 2012, 09:36:45 AM »

I think Ghadir has been the most successful product of Iranian defense industries, after the Shahab/sejjil class of ballistic missiles.

IronHorse110 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 10, 2012, 10:11:57 AM »

Quote from: maydayfire on February 10, 2012, 09:36:45 AM

I think Ghadir has been the most successful product of Iranian defense industries, after the Shahab/sejjil class of ballistic missiles.

How come you think so? I don't disagree, but want to know your reasoning and technical background on this.

PeRXeRs · « **Reply #6 on:** February 10, 2012, 10:56:38 AM »

small and cheap subs, equipped with just a few but deadly torpedos, are a nightmare for big and expensive warships.

I think even one american frigate is more expensive than the entire ghadir fleet.

shiageorgia · « **Reply #7 on:** February 10, 2012, 01:59:00 PM »

If every year 5-7 Ghadirs will be added, to the end of 2015 Iran will have about 50 light subs... It's not bad.

M-ATF · « **Reply #8 on:** February 10, 2012, 02:18:50 PM »

In one of the videos released about Velayat-90 month ago, it is talked about Ghadir-990 (990 is its serial number) and Ghadir-945. Some people believe there are more than 45 Ghadir's based on this video.

omedAFG · « **Reply #9 on:** February 11, 2012, 01:56:10 PM »

i completely agree with maydayfire. the ghadir is a very successful project, these will give the enemies navy a hard time. Inshallah more of these subs will be added into the navy's inventory.

Emirzaad · « **Reply #10 on:** February 12, 2012, 03:21:57 AM »

Iran also needs 500-600 ton subs in numbers around 4-5 .

shiageorgia · « **Reply #11 on:** February 12, 2012, 04:59:37 PM »

Quote from: Emirzaad on February 12, 2012, 03:21:57 AM

Iran also needs 500-600 ton subs in numbers around 4-5 .

They are coming, at least one.

Emirzaad · « **Reply #12 on:** February 14, 2012, 01:20:56 AM »

Yeah I have been waiting for Fateh , Ghaem, Besat .

kyuss · « **Reply #13 on:** February 15, 2012, 04:08:45 PM »

There are currently 16 Ghadir submerines in service.

aryaghiai · « **Reply #14 on:** March 19, 2012, 07:28:29 AM »

New Submarines

TEHRAN (FNA)- The Iranian Navy expanded its naval fleet after two new home-made submarines joined the force on the occasion of the anniversary of the victory of the Islamic Revolution.

Iran's Navy Commander Rear Admiral Habibollah Sayyari announced that two light Ghadir submarines have joined Iran's naval fleet as part of efforts to upgrade the country's defense capabilities.

He told the Islamic republic news agency that all parts of the Ghadir class submarines including hull, radar equipment and advanced defense systems have been manufactured inside the country.

They have improved the protection and defense capabilities of Iran's Armed Forces under the sea, Sayyari stated.

Last month, a senior Iranian military commander underlined that the Iranian Navy's subsurface vessels enjoy a high capability to confront enemies' threats, and stated that Iran's submarines are able to ambush and hit enemy vessels specially US Aircraft carriers from the seabed throughout the Persian Gulf.

Speaking to FNA at the time, Lieutenant Commander of the Iranian Army's Self-Sufficiency Jihad Rear Admiral Farhad Amiri said that Iran has the best electronic diesel submarines of the world, adding that enemies, the US in particular, are most focused on Iran's astonishing subsurface capabilities.

Amiri underlined that significance of submarines are not just indebted to their arms and equipment, "rather the tactical issues are very important", given the geographical specifications of the waters surrounding the county.

"For example," he stated, "if an ordinary submarines can sit in the Persian Gulf's bed it would be the worst threat to the enemy."

"That is one of the US concerns since Iranian submarines are noiseless and can easily evade detection as they are equipped with the sonar-evading technology" and can fire missiles and torpedoes simultaneously, he added.

"When the submarine sits on the seabed it can easily target and hit an aircraft carrier traversing in the nearby regions," Amiri reiterated.

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9010174312

redcedar · « **Reply #15 on:** March 21, 2012, 11:42:39 AM »

"That is one of the US concerns since Iranian submarines are noiseless and can easily evade detection as they are equipped with the sonar-evading technology" and can fire missiles and torpedoes simultaneously, he added."

Does anyone believe these mini-subs can fire missiles?

Harry_Thomason · « **Reply #16 on:** March 21, 2012, 12:00:48 PM »

Quote from: redcedar on March 21, 2012, 11:42:39 AM

"That is one of the US concerns since Iranian submarines are noiseless and can easily evade detection as they are equipped with the sonar-evading technology" and can fire missiles and torpedoes simultaneously, he added."

Does anyone believe these mini-subs can fire missiles?

These mini-subs can carry 2 x 533mm torpedos, like supercavitation torpedo Hoot, which travels at 360 km/h, its much faster than any torpedo used by NATO.

Lord of the Rings · « **Reply #17 on:** March 21, 2012, 02:03:20 PM »

Imagine if we manage to make 100 of these, all with supercavitation torpedo.

redcedar · « **Reply #18 on:** March 21, 2012, 03:33:04 PM »

"These mini-subs can carry 2 x 533mm torpedos, like supercavitation torpedo Hoot, which travels at 360 km/h, its much faster than any torpedo used by NATO. "

yes, we know about torpedo's..my question was can it fire missles?

Immortal · « **Reply #19 on:** March 21, 2012, 03:36:25 PM »

Quote from: redcedar on March 21, 2012, 03:33:04 PM

"These mini-subs can carry 2 x 533mm torpedos, like supercavitation torpedo Hoot, which travels at 360 km/h, its much faster than any torpedo used by NATO. "

yes, we know about torpedo's..my question was can it fire missles?

No, the subs are too small to be able to fire missiles.

comandantecarlos · « **Reply #20 on:** March 21, 2012, 05:04:09 PM »

The missile instead of the more important mines have been.

Emirzaad · « **Reply #21 on:** March 21, 2012, 08:50:14 PM »

Quote from: farbod on March 21, 2012, 02:03:20 PM

Imagine if we manage to make 100 of these, all with supercavitation torpedo.

Thats the DPRK way . They have 50 + light subs along with heavier romeo and whiskey ... In Irans case ... a state like Iran needs SLBM SL-AShM capability and for that u need bigger subs .... Once the war starts the might opposition like US will target the Ballastic missile sites to diminish the strike capability of Iran and to counter that SLBM / AShM capability ensures a safe second return strike that can neutralize the enemy strike point instantly ... Ghadir is an excellent sub in its configuration laying mines , armed with super cavitation hoot , operating in SOFAR regions or DSC channels... they shud be made upto 40 atleast but iran also needs > 600 ton things with missile strike capability ... I am waiting for fateh ...

Immortal · « **Reply #22 on:** March 21, 2012, 10:15:09 PM »

Quote from: Emirzaad on March 21, 2012, 08:50:14 PM

Thats the DPRK way . They have 50 + light subs along with heavier romeo and whiskey ... In Irans case ... a state like Iran needs SLBM SL-AShM capability and for that u need bigger subs .... Once the war starts the might opposition like US will target the Ballastic missile sites to diminish the strike capability of Iran and to counter that SLBM / AShM capability ensures a safe second return strike that can neutralize the enemy strike point instantly ... Ghadir is an excellent sub in its configuration laying mines , armed with super cavitation hoot , operating in SOFAR regions or DSC channels... they shud be made upto 40 atleast but iran also needs > 600 ton things with missile strike capability ... I am waiting for fateh ...

Torpedoes endanger the life of the crew and submarine since they have to get pretty close to the warship. So while the Ghadir is a valuable asset to Iran. Once Fateh and Beshat enter service Iran should lower production of Ghadir. Fateh and Beshat should make up the Iranian submarine force with the eventual domestic made Kilo submarines.

maydayfire · « **Reply #23 on:** March 21, 2012, 10:55:46 PM »

Quote from: Immortal on March 21, 2012, 10:15:09 PM

Torpedoes endanger the life of the crew and submarine since they have to get pretty close to the warship. So while the Ghadir is a valuable asset to Iran. Once Fateh and Beshat enter service Iran should lower production of Ghadir. Fateh and Beshat should make up the Iranian submarine force with the eventual domestic made Kilo submarines.

iran's assymetric defense doctrine against US navy in the persian gulf and sea of oman is power in numbers rather than power in size. 3 swarming midget submarines is much more lethal and less detectable against an aircraft carrier than is one medium size kilo submarine. US' navy has been optimized in detecting and destroying medium and large size submarines (reminiscent of the cold war era). Therefore, it would be very dumb for Iran to go along with what the US is really good at. However, US' navy is not well prepared and trained to deal with swarming midget class vessels. In fact that is what is making them go crazy. That is why you see ghadir class subs in such high rate of production and in my opinion is the most valuable asset of Iran after its ballistic missiles.

The medium size submarines Iran is looking into producing in the future are more suitable for military adventurism outside the persian gulf and sea of oman like in the north of indian ocean for possible surprise attacks on Diego Garcia.
At this time, Iran's navy vessels is not on the level of US' navy in terms of size so you have to use asymmetric swarm tactics and power in numbers in order to be successful in doing serious harm to US' navy, otherwise if you play with their rules and fight a war based on the circumstances that US is very used to, then you will loose.

Numbers · « **Reply #24 on:** March 22, 2012, 12:22:38 AM »

Quote from: maydayfire on March 21, 2012, 10:55:46 PM

Iran's assymetric defense doctrine against US navy in the persian gulf and sea of oman is power in numbers rather than power in size. 3 swarming midget submarines is much more lethal and less detectable against an aircraft carrier than is one medium size kilo submarine.

If Iran will modify 16 Ghadir submarines to fire Anti Ship Cruise Missiles then Iran does not need bigger submarines.

Assymetric Naval War is very smart doctrine. Light Submarines that sit in the Persian Gulf's bed can ambush US Navy without being detected.

And Anti Ship Cruise Missiles have larger range than torpedos.