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Iran has unveiled a number of "Islamic" products including an Islamic tie.

The tie, which is shaped like the sword of Imam Ali (cousin and son-in-law of the Prophet Muhammad who is considered by Shi'a as his rightful successor) and decorated with an Islamic hadith (a saying attributed to Muhammad), has been registered in the Islamic republic by inventor Hemat Komeili. Komeili has been quoted as saying that his tie has been approved by some of the sources of emulation. He says it appears beautiful like a tie in addition to being based on Islamic values.

Ties came under attack in Iran following the 1979 revolution as one of the symbols of "decadent" Western cultures. It was reported that men with ties were detained in the early days of the revolution and according to unconfirmed reports in some cases their ties were cut off.

Some Iranian men still wear ties in public even though it is generally condemned and disapproved by the country's leaders and clerics.

Meanwhile an Iranian company says it has created the first Islamic doll.

Iran had in the past created two dolls, "Sara" and "Dara," which were to counter Barbie and Ken but reportedly were not very popular. The new doll, which is branded Islamic and not Iranian, has the Arabic name "Fatima."

Hossein Homay Seresht, of the company Fam that created Fatima, says the doll is meant to fight the "enemies' cultural invasion" of the Islamic republic.

Seresht says that Iran's enemies are increasingly targeting 3-year-old kids.

"The Westerners, by creating Barbie and marketing it, are encouraging bad veiling and not wearing the hijab; all of these factors led us to take it as our duty to present Islamic dolls to the market," he said.

The company has also produced the "Hijab Forbidden" software, which despite its name is designed to promote the Islamic hijab, or veiling.

Seresht says the software includes video clips of Islamic fashion, speeches about the hijab and a "Hijab Messenger," an instant messaging service that he said is based on the same model as Yahoo messenger but that chat can only take place with "people who are defined within the system."

He provides no further details and does not say whether it means that only people who are wearing the hijab or those who support the hijab can use it.

-- Golnaz Esfandiari


http://www.rferl.org/content/Iran_Unveils_Islamic_Doll_Hijab_Software_And_Islamic_Tie/2221835.html?ref=nf














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I hope for the American members that the CIA who owns Radio Free Europe and used it as a propaganda tool against the Soviet Union doesn't spend too much tax money on this utterly dull, worn out, obnoxious opportunist-payroll-troll. Americans are being foreclosed as we speak. Now you know what happens with their money.
Last Edit: November 16, 2010, 10:52:54 PM by Bolbol

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I hope for the American members that the CIA who owns Radio Free Europe and used it as a propaganda tool against the Soviet Union doesn't spend too much tax money on this utterly dull, worn out, obnoxious opportunist-payroll-troll. Americans are being foreclosed as we speak. Now you know what happens with their money.

I think it's just a little funny. Of course I know that this page spreads propoganda about the Islamic Republic of Iran.

 PS: The tie does not look so bad, hehe.



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Maybe, but try telling that to these:

http://www.google.nl/images?hl=nl&q=foreclosure%20family&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1003&bih=423

They pick up the bill for these 'jokers', even for the tie, lol.


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I don't like the tie, it looks stupid. We should continue without the tie. If only we could also design a respectable looking alternative to the suite. Maybe one without the collars.

Something like this maybe, (not the exact design of course) but a collarless jacket and shirt.  

Last Edit: November 17, 2010, 12:12:28 AM by Shirazi

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The tie can work, and be cool.
But it needs a little work.
Also, it looks way too big on that guy, adding to the ridiculous appearance.
I don't think it need be abandoned altogether, necessarily.
"The sword is victorious over money, the master-will subdues again the plunderer-will. . . A power can be overthrown only by another power, not by a principle, and only one power that can confront money is left. Money is overthrown and abolished by blood. Life is alpha and omega . . . It is the fact of facts within the world-as-history."

- Oswald Spengler

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The tie can work, and be cool.
But it needs a little work.
Also, it looks way too big on that guy, adding to the ridiculous appearance.
I don't think it need be abandoned altogether, necessarily.



Yes it should be, it has nothing to do with Iran at all, why wear it? Read this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6528881.stm Especially the last bit.

Not wearing a tie has started becoming fashonable in the Uk especially.

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tieless is much better




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wtf!!???
iran has unveild this trashes???
i dont believe this.

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The title is not correct. These are companies who released these things, just like hundreds of other products that come on the market. It has no relation to the country itself.

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The title is not correct. These are companies who released these things, just like hundreds of other products that come on the market. It has no relation to the country itself.

Maybe if you want to be very technical, but they are Iranian companies, no?
These are innovations produced in Iran, and we can all take some pride in being contributors (intellectually or in tax dollars) to the same society.
Last Edit: November 17, 2010, 08:24:46 AM by Apollyon

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Maybe if you want to be very technical, but they are Iranian companies, no?
These are innovations produced in Iran, and we can all take some pride in them being contributors (intellectually or in tax dollars) to the same society.
"Iran unveils", Iran has not unveiled anything. Two companies released their products.
For "Iran" to unveil something a minister or a fully state owned company would have to release a product.

However, a healthy market is good for all of us, but that is a different matter.

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I like the idea of Iranians distinguishing their unique culture of Shia Islam in turn through unique innovations and dress.
Now I feel like I need an item of apparel that looks like the Sword...

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tieless is much better

You're right it does.

The IRI needs to pick a very handsome and very well spoken guy to be their spokesman. Put him in a tieless suite and send him to talk on News programs.

I would apply for that role.  :D
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my problem with the tie is its lack of symmetry

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The tie is a joke....no?

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hehe, you dont like the tie  :sarc:

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The tie is a joke....no?

it wasn't well thought out, because the basis of most fashionable clothings is a symmetrical design

However, what their redesign shows is that they believe the 'western' tie is an imposition of culture and the shape of the tie itself is the manifestation of a symbol that conflicts with Iranian principles..

It simply means that the iranian state, more often than not, sees things as being more profound than the actually are.

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Iranian state does not concern itself with "Iranian" principles but Islamic ones. Distinctively different matters and not exclusively shared by Iran either.  Large knowledge gap as usual.

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"Large knowledge gap as usual"

Often your attempts to rationalize something ridiculous fails, regardless of the fact that you use sophistry with finesse.

Islam in Iran does operate within a somewhat cultural and historical frame work, otherwise islam would be uniform in the world.

Regarding the question ' is the tie a joke' and my answer is yes, but not an intentional one.

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Iranian state does not concern itself with "Iranian" principles but Islamic ones. Distinctively different matters and not exclusively shared by Iran either.  Large knowledge gap as usual.

From what I've read, it's only Islamic scholars in Iran that prohibits tie. Scholars such as Sistani and others say it is not haram. So it's more political reason, than an Islamic basis.

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it wasn't well thought out, because the basis of most fashionable clothings is a symmetrical design

However, what their redesign shows is that they believe the 'western' tie is an imposition of culture and the shape of the tie itself is the manifestation of a symbol that conflicts with Iranian principles..

It simply means that the iranian state, more often than not, sees things as being more profound than the actually are.

They can't stop talking about our lack of ties.

So I don't think you can say that the tie issue is not profound.

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From what I've read, it's only Islamic scholars in Iran that prohibits tie. Scholars such as Sistani and others say it is not haram. So it's more political reason, than an Islamic basis.

Just because one scholar says something is not permissible, and another says it is, it does not mean that there is a political reason for it. You mentioned Ayatollah Sistani, his rulings on music are quite far going, while Ayatollah Khamanei has different rulings on the matter. Is there a political reason for this? Deriving law is not mathematics, it is not possible to solve an unknown like in mathematics, e.g. x+5=0 => x=-5.

The ban in neckties does have its origins in Islamic sources though. It's a specific non-Muslim clothing accessory.

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What is Islam's stance towards bow tie's? Kosher or not?

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What is Islam's stance towards necktie's? Kosher or not?
There isn't a unified stance I believe. It depends on whether you consider the necktie as something specifically from non-Muslim clothing. I think considering that the necktie is derived from the Cravat and that it later also was a specific western EU-Christian thing, it is supposed to be banned.

Wearing clothing specific to non-Muslims, is forbidden.

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