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There isn't a unified stance I believe. It depends on whether you consider the necktie as something specifically from non-Muslim clothing. I think considering that the necktie is derived from the Cravat and that it later also was a specific western EU-Christian thing, it is supposed to be banned.

Wearing clothing specific to non-Muslims, is forbidden.

The tie originates from Croatia, and Croats are good people. Anyhow... ties make me feel claustrophobic.

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Wearing clothing specific to non-Muslims, is forbidden.

lolwut

when a muslim wears something, it is by default no longer specific to non-muslims.
unless they can't be muslim while wearing it.
but i don't see any indication in the Koran about whether ties are OK.
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There are certain cultural behavioral patterns and clothing habits that are specific to un-Islamic cultures/people. The tie for example, has no history... nor is it part of any eastern and/or Muslim cultural background... it was something specific from christian EU... and still is. Just because some identityless people addopt other people's cultures, doesn't mean that now it suddenly isnt...

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The general narrative is that a Muslim should not associate/dress with/like Kafirs. This is because they adhere to other dimensions of logic, inherent values, morals and ethics. Hence the idea that it is an "Iranian" response: Islamic movements in general, Sunni and Shia reject the tie. In addition, the "analysis' that Shia Islam is somehow strongly interwoven with Iranian values etc. and that this somehow triggers reaction to modern realities and portrayed an "Iranian" stance is also wrong.

Last Edit: November 18, 2010, 08:14:07 PM by Bolbol

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Gunpowder wasn't originally a Muslim discovery.
Neither was the 'republic'.
An unavoidable reality is that everything in modern Middle Eastern cultures borrow heavily from surrounding civilizations and pre-islamic cultures (namely, Persian innovations and architecture). So are we any less muslim?
We're making up nonexistant Qur'anic law when we pretend muslims can't come from different cultural backgrounds and different  manners of thinking. There aren't any human exempt from salvation if he should follow the guidelines set fourth in the Holy Books properly.
Last Edit: November 18, 2010, 11:03:04 PM by Apollyon

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Your logic makes a number of errors.

1. Scientific exchanges have nothing to do with this topic. Gunpowder is not relevant.
2. The republic does not concern Iran. Iran is a "Jomhuriye Eslami" taken from Islamic technical texts, roughly translated into Islamic Republic to make foreigners, or simply dumb people understand what the political structure could encompass.
3. Islam was not influenced by 'persians' or 'arabs' since there was no such uniform identity as we know today. Both of these civilizations were barely any more advanced than the other. Iran was a feudal society with a minority of aristocratic Sassanian rulers who prefered warfare over scientific achievements. Just because Arabs were even worse off, killing their daughters does not make one better than the other. To make the suggestion that Islam was "heavily" influenced by pre-islamic innovations is to deny their regressive postures.

In Islam, cultures can be sustained, only if they are acceptable by Islam. In pre-Islamic Arabia, many things were done in their culture deemed Haram, and thus had to be abandoned, no matter how dear that culture was for them. As Rumi himself said: Speak Persian, but Arabic is sweeter. Like today, "Persians" and "Arabs" did not have a sense of being two seperate entities, divided and at war with each other, these words and their meanings did not even exist in the way we know them today. These peoples of different tribes who all migrated to the middle east appreciated each others culture, and borrowed extensively, but consistently after Islam since this was the 'breathing space' for what was to be a 400 year golden age.

Aside from that, Shari'a does not depend on Quran alone. There is no such thing as an exclusive "Quranic law" nor is this practical.
Last Edit: November 18, 2010, 11:02:47 PM by Bolbol

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/\ I agree with the tone of the above, Islamic Culture is the way to go!

Though arabs in pre-islamic arabia were racist and arrogent thus hated "persians" and "blacks" so to speak. The Prophet (asws) went about destroying that through Salamam Al-muhhamedi (Salman al Farsi  his orginal name) and Bilal).

In other words no one is better then the other because of the culture of there ancestors
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There aren't any human exempt from salvation if he should follow the guidelines set fourth in the Holy Books properly.

How does the above conflict with the notion of ancient Iranian culture being obsolete?

Look at how critical Islam is of jahiliyah Arab culture. How can you expect it not to apply that same criticism to other cultures?

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People should just go nude on the streets and dance God created people naked so thats how we should be
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