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The emblem of the IRI has the word 'Allah' designed in it.  I see pictures of projects (ships, pipes, helicopters, etc) where this emblem is etched or painted on that are not necessarily 'clean'.  I thought there may be some sensitivity to that. Out of curiosity, is this negligence or are there a series of rules on when items can be emblazoned with the emblem?  If there are, is there a link to refer to?

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The emblem of the IRI has the word 'Allah' designed in it.  I see pictures of projects (ships, pipes, helicopters, etc) where this emblem is etched or painted on that are not necessarily 'clean'.  I thought there may be some sensitivity to that. Out of curiosity, is this negligence or are there a series of rules on when items can be emblazoned with the emblem?  If there are, is there a link to refer to?

Thanks!
Mamdali

I've also seen verses of the Quran written on tombs outside, that occasionally get stepped on by man and animal alike. People don't care about such things let alone the stylized Allah that makes the IRI emblem. Attention to detail is not the Iranian way.

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Nothing wrong with it. It's just a name, description in human made language. It actually says La Elaha Elallah.
It's a different matter in Sunnism, where Arabic language and identity are superior to all others, and where the language has a divine, superior position. Maybe this also explains why many non-Arabic countries favour Arabic as the state language to their own (Phoenician, Berber, etc.)
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Nothing wrong with it. It's just a name, description in human made language. It actually says La Elaha Elallah.
It's a different matter in Sunnism, where Arabic language and identity are superior to all others, and where the language has a divine, superior position. Maybe this also explains why many non-Arabic countries favour Arabic as the state language to their own (Phoenician, Berber, etc.)

Hmmm,I thought there are special rules on where and when and how the word 'Allah' can be inscribed or etched even amongst the Shii'a.

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Eh.... In the emblem it just says "Allah".

La ilaha illa Allah is on the flag...

I searched for God among the Christians and on the Cross and therein I found Him not. I went into the ancient temples of idolatry; no trace of Him was there. I entered the mountain cave of Hira and then went as far as Qandhar but God I found not. With set purpose I fared to the summit of Mount Caucasus and found there only 'anqa's habitation. Then I directed my search to the Kaaba, the resort of old and young; God was not there even. Turning to philosophy I inquired about him from ibn Sina but found Him not within his range. I fared then to the scene of the Prophet's experience of a great divine manifestation only a "two bow-lengths' distance from him" but God was not there even in that exalted court. Finally, I looked into my own heart and there I saw Him; He was nowhere else.

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Hmmm,I thought there are special rules on where and when and how the word 'Allah' can be inscribed or etched even amongst the Shii'a.

Mamdali
I have heard such special rules too.

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I do not believe the emblem says "Allah" but rather "La elaha El La Lah"! 

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Eh...

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Hey guys, come on! I didn't say the Emblem 'says' Allah.  I said it has 'Allah' in it.  Of course it says  لا إله إلا الله which has  الله in it!

(The emblem does NOT say 'Allah' only.  Neither does the flag have 'Mohammad rasoolollah', BTW).

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Last Edit: April 16, 2012, 06:33:21 PM by mamdali

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لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الله
 
الله أكبر

There is not god but Allah; Allahu akhbar... on the flag

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Eh.... In the emblem it just says "Allah".

La ilaha illa Allah is on the flag...



Its a combination of La ilaha illa Allah that together forms Allah. And the middle part gonna represent a sword. The word on the flag is Allaho Akbar...
You are once again threatened my beloved homeland,
I shall defend you until the last breath,
We embrace death if that's what it takes to save you, we have lived by Bushido code all along.

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See my post above:)

Its a combination of La ilaha illa Allah that together forms Allah. And the middle part gonna represent a sword. The word on the flag is Allaho Akbar...

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See my post above:)


Rook, you are wrong as usual.  The emblem doesn't just say 'Allah' only.  Additionally, the flag and especially the emblem has messages in it that exceed a mere alphabet.  And finally, please don't comment unless you can read and write basic Arabic script. 

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It is VERY obvious to anyone who can read that the emblem includes just one word and that is "Allah".  I can read Arabic script albeit slowly and with effort. Semantics are another matter altogether, but are we not talking about what the emblem says per se?

And what a nice move: "Rook, you are wrong as usual.......Additionally, please don't comment unless you can read and write Arabic."

Arrogance, par excellence.  How cute is that... did that hurt so much?

Rook, you are wrong as usual.  The flag and especially the emblem has messages in it that exceed a mere alphabet.  Additionally, please don't comment unless you can read and write Arabic.

Mamdali

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It is VERY obvious to anyone who can read that the emblem includes just one word and that is "Allah".  I can read Arabic script albeit slowly and with effort. Semantics are another matter altogether, but are we not talking about what the emblem says per se?

And what a nice move: "Rook, you are wrong as usual.......Additionally, please don't comment unless you can read and write Arabic."

Arrogance, par excellence.  How cute is that... did that hurt so much?



mustavaris  jan:


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designed by Hamid Nadimi, is a highly stylized composite of various Islamic elements: a geometrically symmetric form of the word Allah ("God") and overlapping parts of the phrase La ilaha illa Allah ("There is no god but Allah"), forming a monogram in the form of a tulip.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Iran

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It is VERY obvious to anyone who can read that the emblem includes just one word and that is "Allah".  I can read Arabic script albeit slowly and with effort. Semantics are another matter altogether, but are we not talking about what the emblem says per se?

And what a nice move: "Rook, you are wrong as usual.......Additionally, please don't comment unless you can read and write Arabic."

Arrogance, par excellence.  How cute is that... did that hurt so much?


Rook, your ignorance and lack of education is par on the course.  You have no idea what you're taking about.  Go do some research and at least try to learn. And whoever taught you Arabic script, ask for a refund.
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Cheers Nonbarbari: although I have no idea what it refers to by "overlapping parts of the phrase"..

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Dudes... Come on! Lets learn something from each other rather than fight each other...

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So... in a nutshell; you see those overlapping parts... lemme know. How are they formed? What part of the emblem is what?

Rook, your ignorance and lack of education is par on the course.  You have no idea what you're taking about.  Go do some research and at least try to learn. And whoever taught you Arabic script, ask for a refund.

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Cheers Nonbarbari: although I have no idea what it refers to by "overlapping parts of the phrase"..

I saw it once in documentary, there they show in digital how them mean or how the designer have done the overlapping part. But I can not find it now. But I am sitting here at my work, so when Im home gonna try find it...

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mustavaris  jan:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Iran


Thanks Naneh Barbaree--jan.  The 'tulip' reference is especially poignant with reference to those that lost their lives during the EnghelAb!
Last Edit: April 16, 2012, 07:11:08 PM by mamdali

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You have always been respectful, thus Ill tone down now, but this was not the first time Mamdali did that and I am not inclined to turn the other cheek when someone acts like that. Anyway; thank you for the clarification although I am still puzzled how that is included there:D All I see is "Allah". But maybe Mamdali will solve that little trouble for us all as it is so clear for him.

Dudes... Come on! Lets learn something from each other rather than fight each other...

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Would appreciate that, but no need to worry about that if you are short of time:)

I saw it once in documentary, there they show in digital how them mean or how the designer have done the overlapping part. But I can not find it now. But I am sitting here at my work, so when Im home gonna try find it...

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I saw it once in documentary, there they show in digital how them mean or how the designer have done the overlapping part. But I can not find it now. But I am sitting here at my work, so when Im home gonna try find it...


Artistic euphemisms incorporated in Arabic script is a time honored practice.  'Nasta'leegh' is a variation of this.

The IRI emblem is a great example of this as well.  For those who can't read basic Arabic script, and are unfamiliar with this rather familiar concept, here's some clarity for you: please refer to the term 'ambigrams': http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambigram

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Last Edit: April 16, 2012, 07:11:57 PM by mamdali

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Heres what I came up with:

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