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@psywar: Zionists shouldn't talk about Islam.

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who is this Wahhabi Zionist! and who invited him! I eat people like him everyday for breakfast! Ya Kafer! and im a Sunni!
Im Sunni by mind, Shia by Heart, and Muslim by soul! La Ellaha Ela Allah!

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this is not the place for spamming. Iranians are better in belief than other muslims and praised by the Holy Prophet (pbuh) in various hadiths so no need to teach iranians!


oh well! Well bring your evidence to be true if you're sincere??

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who is this Wahhabi Zionist! and who invited him! I eat people like him everyday for breakfast! Ya Kafer! and im a Sunni!

...... you seem very common for a Muslim.
But hey you must be a descendant of Kharijis that the Prophet (SAW) said they were the dogs of Hell.

Your posts here speaks volumes about you. It is funny that you are here telling us that we are not "good" Muslims yet you say that the Prophet called us "Dogs from Hell".
Take you lessons of Islam that you are trying to teach us and move it to your Wahhabi brothers who hav sold Islam out to every Zionist PIG that comes across.
I have given you  a warning for now but I have very little patiiance for prople like you so there will be no more warnings.

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Brothers, in my humble opinion we should make an effort and address his points, rather than outright calling him names, because he says he supports Islamic Iran's struggle, and has so far not resorted to insults. Perhaps a user with extensive knowledge of religious matters would want to reply.

For now, I would have a question for abuabderrahman: you cited sheykh Albani, brother, so my question is, does sheykh Albani also consider the Shia and non-wahhabi Sunni Muslims as his co-religionists, or does he make takfir on them? In the latter case, how would dialogue be possible?


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Brothers, in my humble opinion we should make an effort and address his points, rather than outright calling him names, because he says he supports Islamic Iran's struggle, and has so far not resorted to insults. Perhaps a user with extensive knowledge of religious matters would want to reply.

For now, I would have a question for abuabderrahman: you cited sheykh Albani, brother, so my question is, does sheykh Albani also consider the Shia and non-wahhabi Sunni Muslims as his co-religionists, or does he make takfir on them? In the latter case, how would dialogue be possible?

First I came to this friendly forum and I did not intend to insult anyone until takfiri of MO_SOBOH me a disbeliever.
Then we do not kaffara someone or a community poarticlier but a belief.
There are deeds and words which if done or said by knowingly can get a Muslim to Islam they are Iranian or Saudi Arabia it does not matter.

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...a ban lol

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= what a scumbag!

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I can't help but feel sorry for brothers like abdurrahmane, I'm not saying this with arrogance, by Allah,I'm saying it with the greatest of humility.I know how their minds work, how they are brought up, how they are taught.They brought up made to think only they are correct.As such when they read the hadith about how Muslims will be devided into 73 groups, of these groups only one will enter Jannah without having to answer to Allah. Why?Because they are taught only they are following Sunnah, hence they are Sunnis.Everybody else is wrong and will face Allah's wrath on the Day of Judgment, only they are saved.On the face of it, it sounds right and convincing when you listen to it. However when you dig deeper now, beyond the surface, you realise that what Allah and his Prophet says is not sometimes what the so called Sunnis do and say. You see when you want to know about any religion, you have to go read the source. Don't go to people who say they follow that religion, go get the information firsthand. In this case you have to read Quraan and Hadith. The first and foremost source in Islam is Quraan, Allah's word. The Quraan is above ANYTHING in Islam, the primary source. Then there is Hadith (what the Prophet said) and  Sunnah (what the Prophet did).If we ALL stuck to these sources. If we all adopted the agenda fully as ets up by these sources, our problems both internally (among ourselves) and externally (between us and non-muslims), will disappear like foam in the ocean. As easy and as basic as Allah had made this Deen for us, its not enough for us. We just had to complicate it, to add our own 2 cents in there. We had to do our own things,not as measured against these primary sources, but what we inherit from our cultures or customs or norms. In order to clothe these evil and unIslamic practices, we clothe them with Islamic terminology, we label ourselves differently. This is the problem here in a nutshell.This 'clothing' is meant to deceive people who don't know any better. That's why its important to get information yourself from primary sources.Its not enough to accept what your scholars tell you. You need to verify what they telling you, so you teach yourself.In Islam, what matters is what Allah and His Prophet say, nothing else. If anybody or any scholar say something which is not based on what Allah and His Prophet say, their opinion or utterance means NOTHING.But because people don't read, they prefer shortcuts.They just elevate their scholars to the position of authority where whatever they say is accepted without question,simply because they are scholars. People are taking the responsibility of learning themselves and outsourcing it to their scholars. This is a disease that you find among Muslims, among Christians and the Jews.Muslims have their ulema, Christians have their Priests and Jews have their Rabbis. The reason these bodies exist is that they are made a source of reference. This is fine if these bodies rely on the right sources to base their pronouncements. This is not ALWAYS the case. This is the very big problem. The Rabbis led the Jews astray by exercising this power far beyond what they suppose to do.The same happened with Priests and Christians. Now we have Ulemas or scholars doing the exact same thing in Islam. Now these scholars work for dictators, they are on the payroll or these dictators. They are paid to mislead people. The ordinary Muslim doesn't understand what's going on.They just take things as they are told. The result is that you have people who can't reason, as described by Mo, because their scholars tell them soo,if they hear anything contrary to what they told they automatically reject it. They don't investigate issues, they don't think or reason.They are parrots,they have submitted themselves to the will of their scholars instead of Allah's. They go around calling other Muslims kaffirs and all sorts of names.If you try to reason with them, showing them where they are mistaken, you become Shaitan. There is no winning with such people.They are soo far deep in their brainwashing process, the process is complete. They are willing to kill or die for their point of view.This is not a matter of belief.Nobody needs to change any beliefs here. Among Muslims, this is the matter of those who follow what Allah and His Prophet say against those who like to appear as is they following Allah and His Prophet.I'm not going to go further and call people names.Its not my place.Allah will stand in Judgment of everybody.He will name people and sort all this mess up.I'm not going to waste time with naming.I rather discuss issues, where those that are mistaken have gotten it wrong.I prefer to spend time doing that.   
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I'm glad Moon is on our side.

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This is the state of the mindset of the " Umma " ? What understanding do muslims have ? Or Christian ? Or Jew ? About  the world ?


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I can't help but feel sorry for brothers like abdurrahmane, I'm not saying this with arrogance, by Allah,I'm saying it with the greatest of humility.I know how their minds work, how they are brought up, how they are taught.They brought up made to think only they are correct.As such when they read the hadith about how Muslims will be devided into 73 groups, of these groups only one will enter Jannah without having to answer to Allah. Why?Because they are taught only they are following Sunnah, hence they are Sunnis.Everybody else is wrong and will face Allah's wrath on the Day of Judgment, only they are saved.On the face of it, it sounds right and convincing when you listen to it. However when you dig deeper now, beyond the surface, you realise that what Allah and his Prophet says is not sometimes what the so called Sunnis do and say. You see when you want to know about any religion, you have to go read the source. Don't go to people who say they follow that religion, go get the information firsthand. In this case you have to read Quraan and Hadith. The first and foremost source in Islam is Quraan, Allah's word. The Quraan is above ANYTHING in Islam, the primary source. Then there is Hadith (what the Prophet said) and  Sunnah (what the Prophet did).If we ALL stuck to these sources. If we all adopted the agenda fully as ets up by these sources, our problems both internally (among ourselves) and externally (between us and non-muslims), will disappear like foam in the ocean. As easy and as basic as Allah had made this Deen for us, its not enough for us. We just had to complicate it, to add our own 2 cents in there. We had to do our own things,not as measured against these primary sources, but what we inherit from our cultures or customs or norms. In order to clothe these evil and unIslamic practices, we clothe them with Islamic terminology, we label ourselves differently. This is the problem here in a nutshell.This 'clothing' is meant to deceive people who don't know any better. That's why its important to get information yourself from primary sources.Its not enough to accept what your scholars tell you. You need to verify what they telling you, so you teach yourself.In Islam, what matters is what Allah and His Prophet say, nothing else. If anybody or any scholar say something which is not based on what Allah and His Prophet say, their opinion or utterance means NOTHING.But because people don't read, they prefer shortcuts.They just elevate their scholars to the position of authority where whatever they say is accepted without question,simply because they are scholars. People are taking the responsibility of learning themselves and outsourcing it to their scholars. This is a disease that you find among Muslims, among Christians and the Jews.Muslims have their ulema, Christians have their Priests and Jews have their Rabbis. The reason these bodies exist is that they are made a source of reference. This is fine if these bodies rely on the right sources to base their pronouncements. This is not ALWAYS the case. This is the very big problem. The Rabbis led the Jews astray by exercising this power far beyond what they suppose to do.The same happened with Priests and Christians. Now we have Ulemas or scholars doing the exact same thing in Islam. Now these scholars work for dictators, they are on the payroll or these dictators. They are paid to mislead people. The ordinary Muslim doesn't understand what's going on.They just take things as they are told. The result is that you have people who can't reason, as described by Mo, because their scholars tell them soo,if they hear anything contrary to what they told they automatically reject it. They don't investigate issues, they don't think or reason.They are parrots,they have submitted themselves to the will of their scholars instead of Allah's. They go around calling other Muslims kaffirs and all sorts of names.If you try to reason with them, showing them where they are mistaken, you become Shaitan. There is no winning with such people.They are soo far deep in their brainwashing process, the process is complete. They are willing to kill or die for their point of view.This is not a matter of belief.Nobody needs to change any beliefs here. Among Muslims, this is the matter of those who follow what Allah and His Prophet say against those who like to appear as is they following Allah and His Prophet.I'm not going to go further and call people names.Its not my place.Allah will stand in Judgment of everybody.He will name people and sort all this mess up.I'm not going to waste time with naming.I rather discuss issues, where those that are mistaken have gotten it wrong.I prefer to spend time doing that.


.. I never said that we should take a scientist with eyes closed without verification because the scientist of any kind even if it's only companion is not infallible.
But despite all the scientist will always be rewarded when their efforts are sincere and will remain the best source for us, contemporary, because we have neither the Prophet nor companions with us.

The Prophet (SAW) said:


"When the scientist has made an effort (ijtahada) and reached the truth, he has two rewards, and he made an effort and made a mistake, he has one reward"


"The scholars are the heirs of the prophets. But the prophets have left a legacy or dinars or dirhams, but they left science. So whoever takes it (that is to say, science), so he grabbed a huge part (of the inheritance). "

and as Allah said:

فاسألوا أهل الذكر إن كنتم لا تعلمون

(Ask the people of knowledge if you do not know)


One can acquire knowledge so that through the scholars, especially those dating back to the best possible understanding is that the Companions of the Prophet (SAW).
For Allah Almighty said:

"The first [believers] of the Muhajirun (of Mecca) and the Ansar (of Medina) and those who followed them in the best way, Allah be pleased with them, and they with Him. He has prepared for them Gardens under which rivers flow to abide therein. That's the huge success! "(At-Tawbah, V.100)


So when we had access to science by selecting the scholars according to the criteria of their manhaj and there are differences then it is normal and has always existed.
But in our time it is clear that Muslims take their knowledge of people who call themselves Mullah or Imam by the people without trying to know where they draw the source of their knowledge.
The difference between believers who are on the right track and those who are lost is the fact that the first refers to scholars who take their knowledge of our pious predecessors (those mentioned in the hadith above) which in turn themselves have taken their knowledge of the Companions (Allah and approved), which themselves have taken their knowledge of the Prophet (SAW) while the latter have learned as people who do not go back to the source, or that interpret the texts with their passions.
 


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The believers who are on the right are those that follow what Allah and His Prophet say. Period.

thats exactly what I wanted to hear from this guy... but nnooooo u are either Sunna or you are kaffer, and thats exactly what he means brother Moon... ull see eventually!

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Wahhabism is a religious movement[1] or a branch[2] of Islam. It was developed by an 18th century Muslim theologian (Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab) from Najd, Saudi Arabia. Abdul Al-Wahhab advocated purging Islam of what he considered to be impurities and innovations. Wahhabism is the dominant form of Islam in Saudi Arabia. It has developed considerable influence in the Muslim world in part through Saudi funding of mosques, schools and social programs.
Wahhabism claims to adhere to the correct understanding of the general Islamic doctrine of Tawhid, the Uniqueness and Unity of God, shared by the majority of Islamic sects, but uniquely interpreted by Abdul Al-Wahhab .[3] Ibn Abd-al-Wahhab was influenced by the writings of Ibn Taymiyya and questioned classical interpretations of Islam, claiming to rely on the Qur'an and the Hadith.[3] He attacked a "perceived moral decline and political weakness" in the Arabian Peninsula and condemned what he perceived as idolatry, the popular cult of saints, and shrine and tomb visitation.[3]
The terms "Wahhabi" and "Salafi" (as well as ahl al-hadith, people of hadith) are often used interchangeably, but Wahhabi has also been called "a particular orientation within Salafism",[2] an orientation some consider ultra-conservative and heretical.[4][5]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi

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Brother abdurrahmane I'm speaking to you directly here, we talking face to face, figuratively.Why must I go read your website?Why don't you tell me what your website says.Again,I know you have a problem with English, talk to me about what Allah and His Prophet say.I'm not interested in what the opinions of your Sheiks are, that's your business with them.I want you to talk to me face to face.Leave the Sheiks out of this, even better if you can't argue properly go and call your Sheiks here.Go invite them here to speak on your behalf.

What language do you speak brother?
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It is not me but the Prophet (SAW) who said they are Khawarij of the dogs of hell:

They are the dogs of hell and the Prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wasalam) said to them: "If I met them, I'd kill them as the people of cad. "[1] and a version" as the people of Thamud. "


[1] Al-Bukhari (3344). The hadith concerning the description of Al-Khawaarij are numerous, including "Good ad to the one who kills or is killed by them. "Sahih Abu Dawud (4765). The Prophet (SAW) also said: "They are the dogs of hell. "Sahih Ibn Majah (p.76).


.... Then before I threaten to ban, should learn what it means to be a Muslim and never getting his race or nationality with the Word of Allah and His Prophet and the banner Kharijism true and not those who say the truth.

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Brother abdurrahmane who exactly is Khawariij?In this day in age,who exactly is Khawariij?

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