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You see what I'm saying with these people?They are planted and trained to divide the Ummah! That's why I'm saying its not just a matter of differing opinions here, it more than that.These people are destroying the Deen of Allah from inside and dividing Muslims.Its easy for them to insult Shias and call them dogs, for what?What big a crime did the Shias commit to be called dogs?Why soo much hatred against the Shias?They hate the very people standing up against Dajjal.Who do you think they working for?Allah says believers shouldn't take Jews and Christians as allies because they are allies of one another.This is from Quraan,Allah's Word.But look at what's happening, look who is making allies with who!Look who is making allies with Jews and Christians plotting against their fellow Muslims!Look around and see what's happening. This is not about Shia vs Sunni.It has nothing to do with that brother.Its Islam vs Kufr, truth vs hypocracy, light vs corruption. This is a war against Allah's religion.Don't fall for the anti-Shia rhetoric, its a diversion brother to keep Muslims divided and killing eachother for what?What for brother?So that while Muslims kill eachother, they won't have time fighting for a common cause against enemies of Islam. They will be busy slaughtering eachother.Like I said what's happening with Muslims is not an accident.Its made to be like this deliberately.We being deliberately setup to fight eachother....ask yourself why!Its about desteoying Muslims, rich or poor.

I understand bro, I just cannot understand their logic... I came into this forum knowing nothing bro... I do mean absolutely NOTHING! Just basics if you want to call it that... I read, read some more... (and even that wasnt enough) and I learned alot from here.... point is, one should never close his eyes to knowledge and truth... no matter how much it hurts! There it is plain to everyones eyes to see.... how zionist lover like this guy try and distort peoples beliefs and views without reason and common sense... just with insults! Before this forum I never knew what Shia or Sunni really was... I never knew how much effect it had on the world today we are living in... and I have to admit it does have a big effect for people willing to create an agenda behind it... they are trying to break Islam in half... and they are trying to brain wash people into making parrots out of them... its disgusting beyond comprehension! BUT this to me is also a reason to make our unity stronger than ever.... I and the proof is right here infront of our eyes brother Moon... I have tasted first hand what these zombies can do to you... and i will never let it get to me... I know where my loyalty stands... and I will never let Islam be broken from my side of the planet! This discussion if anything  makes my faith stronger than ever! I have never been so clear of what my goal in life is... until these recent years! This guy cant rant and shout anything he wants to do... but all he did at the end of the day was ridicule him self, and make our unity stronger! He failed first hand before he even took his first breath... and yet your still polite to him after all he said, May god open the doors of Jan nah for you brother, for your patients and your politeness even to people like this zionist lover are greatness in ones self! May Allah forgive this guy for he does not know what he says... what doesnt kill you brother makes you stronger! Hamdu Allah!

@abdorahman

But we should certainly not run as you say the reason or logic before the evidence from the Qur'an and Hadith.

We should certainly not run ( as you say ) with reason and logic before the evidence . As with any evidence  it becomes impossible to understand or order without a system or criterion .

(fatwa) without knowledge even if it proved correct

This statement is contradictory as it is written  or translated . Logical proof is impossible without knowledge .

"He who interprets the Qur'an according to his personal opinion, he made ​​a mistake even if what he said is correct," and in the hadith:

According to this statement  no understanding of the Qur'an by any person even if correct is allowed . This statement is contradictory to Quran verse : " ........so we send down this Quran in Arabic so you understand " .

Therefore to be compatible with reason , it is necessary to understand Islam with logic . And that Islamic knowledge  can be proved by logic . And that Islamic knowledge is correct because it is logical . And that Quranic verses are understandable because they are logical . And that logic and reason can be learnt by all human . Fatwas as with all laws are made by experts but are also subject of understanding and debate ( logical debate ) by all society .

A note to all.
Just in case you guys havn't notice he has already been banned. After his second insult of calling members/religious figures dogs I thought it was about time to get rid of this Wahhabi lover.
 

All Iranians must always be vigilant of Zionists, and their agents, masquerading and trying to manipulate them, however subtly, for the worse. This is where people are most vulnerable.

There is no religious science and secular science and regular science. The universe follows the laws of G*d and the teachings of the Quran and Hadith are one in the same with how the universe works.

What is true in the Holy Texts is true in science and math, the word of G*d does not need alteration to fit reality and reality does not need to work differently to conform to His word. When all scientific discovery and laws are combined to understand the workings of our reality, one way or another, it will bear 100% congruence with whatever the Quran and Hadiths teach.

You can see evidence for this in reality. One of the reasons Islam is the most successful faith is because it works. When the Caliphates were first established, the first Islamic Empires, they were the center of learning, knowledge, discovery, and intelligence, and they were Islamic. We must return to such an Islamic spirit of understanding G*d's universe in every way possible. The policy of relying entirely on western technology and sciences while being forced to make peace with bigoted Zionists in return is hopeless and un-Islamic.

This is exactly my belife about science and God.
If God created everything that there is then all these science must have been his knowledge first in order for him to create it. So my philosophy in life is 2 folds;
1) science can not contradict God.
2) The more we learn therefore we must be getting closer to God because we are learning his knowledge.

oh well! Well bring your evidence to be true if you're sincere??

truly you people are blind and do not read your own books. Better read chapter "Praise for the People of Persia" in Sahih Bukhari, where there are various hadiths and praise for none other than the people of Persia by the Holy Prophet (pbuh).

and as Allah said:

فاسألوا أهل الذكر إن كنتم لا تعلمون

(Ask the people of knowledge if you do not know)

but instead of asking people of knowledge you people chooses the wrong path instead and started asking from the sons of Jews and Kuffar. The major source of your religion is the Sons of Jews and Kuffar.

the People of Knowledge are only the Household of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) and not the sons of jews and kuffar.