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I have spoken about this before . A successful country has both population control and planned free market economy . The size of a population should be kept at ideal levels . The ideal level for population will allow for the fastest growth and decline to maximum and minimum desirable population levels . The maximum and minimum population levels are needed to cope with events such as war and famine or industrial growth . The method of determining the ideal population level can be done using scientific methods .
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I have spoken about this before . A successful country has both population control and planned free market economy . The size of a population should be kept at ideal levels . The ideal level for population will allow for the fastest growth and decline to maximum and minimum desirable population levels . The maximum and minimum population levels are needed to cope with events such as war and famine or industrial growth . The method of determining the ideal population level can be done using scientific methods .

yes you can, but you also have to take things into account.

for instance if you are at war that is costing lives, its good topromote population growth like immam khomeini advocates.

a lot of people attribute the problems of iran tosay to the population boom, i however think the population boom was neccessary and has actually given IR iran huge amount of man power neccessary for military and growth.

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There is nothing wrong with a large population if you have the ability to provide them with employment and food in my opinion. I would like Iran's population to exceed 100 million, but only if they can all be employed, all be fed, housed and educated and if our cities, roads and public transport system can handle that number.


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There is nothing wrong with a large population if you have the ability to provide them with employment and food in my opinion. I would like Iran's population to exceed 100 million, but only if they can all be employed, all be fed, housed and educated and if our cities, roads and public transport system can handle that number.



Yes, overpopulation is a relative thing. A nation without any resources (or the means of attaining them from elsewhere)  can have a population of one million and be overpopulated. Currently, Iran has the resources but lacks the means of providing it to all of its population. So I'd say it is overpopulated.

You also need to look at the population density and the effects it has on peoples life standard. Will an increase of 30 million lead to a further increase in the population of Tehran? Iran is a big country but the habitable areas are limited.

 

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Uninhability is also a relative term too. Look at Las Vegas or Dubai or Riyahd.

You are going to need a lot of desalinisation plants, but it can be done.

Also currently a few cities in Iran are overpopulated (Tehran) others are actually not.

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Uninhability is also a relative term too. Look at Las Vegas or Dubai or Riyahd.

You are going to need a lot of desalinisation plants, but it can be done.

Also currently a few cities in Iran are overpopulated (Tehran) others are actually not.

Las Vegas and Dubai are environmental disasters. The immense waste that goes into developing cities in the desert where the basics of human needs are  not present is not sustainable. Dubai is one big shopping mall that lacks all natural charm. You need to stay indoors not to die of heat exhaustion. You have not been in these cities if you want Iran to take the same route.

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Also currently a few cities in Iran are overpopulated (Tehran) others are actually not.

Since many of Iran's cities fail to provide their inhabitants with jobs, housing and clean air... not to mention safe infrastructure such as safer roads, earthquake resistant buildings etc.  they are indeed overpopulated.

...I just told you overpopulation is a relative thing. Its not about absolute numbers but the capability of providing for them.
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Whether it's an increase in mouthes to feed (and the associated practices such as inhumane treatment of animals in mass farming, nitrogen polution(1) etc), an increase in power requirements (recources becoming more scarce, more pollution), overcrowding that can lead to quicker spread of disease, the reduction in democracy (a bigger population gives less value to each individual vote. This pertains to the video about the exponential function that was posted here a while back), and a probable increase in unemployment... I don't see the benefits in a population growth and i think we should consider not only limiting growth but seeing how we can decrease the size of the population.

If we don't, some very immoral decisions will have to be made in the future in the name of sustainability.



1. Nitrogen polution costs EU up to 280bn a year. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13025304

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, the reduction in democracy (a bigger population gives less value to each individual vote.



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what have i said?

anyway.. i think this is useful

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Gottfrid,

I think population growth has a lot to do with military needs as well.

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Gottfrid,

I think population growth has a lot to do with military needs as well.

We're in an age where quantity (population) is meaningless in comparison to quality (of arms). Also, it's 21st century .. i was hoping that economic growth would be more important than war.

We're also in age where fairly powerful countries steer away from large scale conflicts for the sake of their economies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Arches though it might be a bit flawed, it still relatively true.

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I think the main reason why muslims are allowed to have four wives , is to allow rapid re-population of society after a war . In WWI
the ratio of men to women was low in Europe and this led to social problems later . So Islamic law does consider increase or
decrease of population to serve society .

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