Poll: Which religion do you follow

Judaism 1.8% (2)
Christianity 18.6% (21)
Islam 58.4% (66)
Other 6.2% (7)
None: Atheist 4.4% (5)
None: Not the religious type 10.6% (12)

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Just thought it would be interesting to see which religions are followed on this forum.

Please vote  :D
Libre, Soberana e Independiente

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This is a cunning plan to find the forum Jews.

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This is a cunning plan to find the forum Jews.

LMAO
Last Edit: April 27, 2011, 09:40:41 PM by IRGC

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A thread like this exist,it was started by Shirazi last year.
None of you is a believer until he loves for his brother that which he loves for himself - The last Messenger

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interesting to see which religions are followed on this forum.

I asked myself, if I were not a Muslim, would I be visiting this forum?
Would I care about the military strength of Iran?
Would I be coming to this forum everyday hoping to see that Iran developed its own SR-71 ?

The answer was a categorical, "no."

What would I be doing instead?

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My parents are Zoroastrian.
"The sword is victorious over money, the master-will subdues again the plunderer-will. . . A power can be overthrown only by another power, not by a principle, and only one power that can confront money is left. Money is overthrown and abolished by blood. Life is alpha and omega . . . It is the fact of facts within the world-as-history."

- Oswald Spengler
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no jews yet? :think:
Im Sunni by mind, Shia by Heart, and Muslim by soul! La Ellaha Ela Allah!

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no remember folks its not jews, its zionists,

Jews are Jews

Zionists are fake jews.

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no remember folks its not jews, its zionists,

Jews are Jews

Zionists are fake jews.

Very true. I have had a number of Jevvish friends in the past, they were good folk.
But the enemy is extremely cunning.
One cannot let their guard down.
Your friends, your neighbors, you must always maintain vigilance. Even you yourself might be the enemy, and not know it.

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Zionists.

There are Christian Zionists.
There are Atheist Zionists.

Even some apostate Muslims like Mubarak are Zionists.

Torah true Judaism like the Naturae Karta forbid Zionism.
http://www.nkusa.org/

In Iran we have patriotic, Torah true Jews who hate Zionism, God bless them.

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...at least be consistent in your idiocy. You cannot claim that certain ethnicities and cultures are more inclined to do harm but not apply the same to religions. Applying your logic, Jews and Christians are more inclined to bombard Muslim babies and should therefore be exterminated. They should also not be given any jobs and their right to reproduce should be limited. But, then again, they are financially more successfully than the Mosleman and therefore more competent. Its all very tricky really when you make it up as you go.


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...at least be consistent in your idiocy. You cannot claim that certain ethnicities and cultures are more inclined to do harm but not apply the same to religions. Applying your logic, Jews and Christians are more inclined to bombard Muslim babies and should therefore be exterminated. They should also not be given any jobs and their right to reproduce should be limited. But, then again, they are financially more successfully than the Mosleman and therefore more competent. Its all very tricky really when you make it up as you go.




I gather you are responding to me.

Brother, I am sorry if I have offended your sensibilities with my understanding of the world.
But it is necessary to make all my views known.
It appears I have once again failed to explain myself properly, for which I apologize. I can see why you might have misunderstood.
I don't believe people should have their character judged based on anything but the actions of their conscience.
For others reading this conversation, please reference the conversation which occurred in the following thread for proper context:
http://www.iranmilitaryforum.net/index.php?topic=8080.0

There are people of every religion, and every ethnic group, and every race, that have every level of intellect and natural ability in all fields. But there is difference between individuals.
I am not born good at everything. I am not born with the most marketable innate skills. But that's OK, I can contribute best what I am good at and what I love to do. And if that means my aptitudes are in high demand, I will have a higher income and may have more children, otherwise, I will have fewer children.
We as a society needs to move back to our roots, everyone doesn't have to be good at everything. Everyone isn't born with aptitude for everything. This is an invention of modern western sociology. But Iran is revolutionary, Iran can change the civilization paradigm to incorporate intelligent policies regarding reproduction, better to anarchy and disorder.

I don't believe people should be allowed to have more children than their income will allow. We are all born different. Some are born with extreme deficiencies. Those people deserve the same respect as others, because our civilization needs unity. But they should concentrate their energies on other tasks than raising children. I am a strong believer that people should not have more children than their income will allow, for which I make no apologies. This should be done by financially incentivising higher-income families to have more children because we can be more certain they have more marketable aptitudes and they can also provide a better life for their children. Access to contraception for lower classes can be improved (many people don't know some supposed methods of contraception have been used in arabia and persia for centuries, even in medieval europe).

This isn't racist ideas or character judgements based on how you are born. I think there may be good ideas here. One of many solutions for revolutionary civilization.

I apologize if there is a misunderstanding.
But I don't apologize for my understanding, I cannot help that I believe in what I know to be true. And one thing you cannot have me surrender, is the hope to convert you to my understanding. You are my Brother. And if I know something to be right, and true, I hope I can get all my brothers to agree or at least understand each others' reason and logic behind the ideas we debate. Forgive me my ambition, Brother. This, is of importance to me.


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hi i am newbie, i am an indonesian, and i am a madhab converting, from sunni to shi'ite

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Apa kabar, Welcome to the forum zulfikar, nice to have you around.

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hi i am newbie, i am an indonesian, and i am a madhab converting, from sunni to shi'ite
Salam and welcome!

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no remember folks its not jews, its zionists,

Jews are Jews

Zionists are fake jews.
actually the thread is about religion, and zionists dont have one... jews do! and when I was saying I meant jews not zionists, because its not a faith!

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I am newbie here but i must criticize this. You should split christianity, we have catholics and orthodox. Probably most of people on this forum are orthodox, orthodox are: Russia, Serbia... and most of them share your view on this world where NATO try to rule on this planet, than what for would catholics visit this forum when they mostly dont support Iran, their governmants try to conquer Iran....

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This is a cunning plan to find the forum Jews.

I would keep my eye on the two people that voted "Other"  ;)

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. This should be done by financially incentivising higher-income families to have more children because we can be more certain they have more marketable aptitudes and they can also provide a better life for their children. Access to contraception for lower classes can be improved (many people don't know some supposed methods of contraception have been used in arabia and persia for centuries, even in medieval europe).

This can lead to genocide.

Did you know in America they very deceivingly convinced afrikan americans and native americans to tie their female tubes (tubal ligation).

In a very poor neighborhood in America where drug abuse and drug addiction was rampant, they offered 200 dollars for women of that area to tie their Fallopian tubes so they would not get pregnant again. Knowingly that that money would be used for further drug abuse, they committed a genocide by taking away the right of the female to change herself and have kids.

I can see the argument that they would not make good parents, which is valid, but who has the right to tell someone if they are allowed to have kids or not?

I think when you disallow for a certain socioeconomic group to have kids , it leads to very dangerous outcomes and even genocide in the form of disallowing of reproduction due to a certain socio-economic or even misplaced racial prejudice.

The argument that you should be able to provide for the kids you bring into this world is very valid; BUT it should not be allowed by anyone to dictate to any group of people as to the number of kids they can or can not have.

It just leads to a genocide where one group will force the other group not to have kids.

If you look at some of the most brilliant people, they come from very poor families and the reason for that is simple; poverty, necessity and hardship builds peoples character, creates empathy for the poor (since they know what it is like).
Ya Ali, molla Ali (as)

"There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance" - Imam Ali (as)

"''melate ma neshan dade'ast ke be hadaf haye khod momen, va dar rahe on, ta nesar'e jaan eestade'ast.. chenin melati, az america va az hiiich ghodrati nemitars'ad, va be yaari'e khoda neshan khahad daad ke pirooz az on' e hagh, va momenan be hagh ast!"

- Rahbar'e moazzam'e Enghlab'e Islami Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei

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Me like this statement

http://www.iranmilitaryforum.net/index.php?topic=19216.msg171013.#msg171013

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I am newbie here but i must criticize this. You should split christianity, we have catholics and orthodox. Probably most of people on this forum are orthodox, orthodox are: Russia, Serbia... and most of them share your view on this world where NATO try to rule on this planet, than what for would catholics visit this forum when they mostly dont support Iran, their governmants try to conquer Iran....
I praise the Universe. I belive that the Universe has its own personality.  And all things together bring its part into this personality.
Universe also has personality, sensibility. You speak as you would send words to nobedy/ But "Universe" is a living being that feel every idea, thought, pain, laugh, joy of every human beying. Actually, we are all part (excepting those who betreyed God for sake of money) of this infinite being you name "Universe", but I would name it God Almighty.

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I am newbie here but i must criticize this. You should split christianity, we have catholics and orthodox. Probably most of people on this forum are orthodox, orthodox are: Russia, Serbia... and most of them share your view on this world where NATO try to rule on this planet, than what for would catholics visit this forum when they mostly dont support Iran, their governmants try to conquer Iran....
US is a Protestant nation... This isn't 1066.

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Universe also has personality, sensibility. You speak as you would send words to nobedy/ But "Universe" is a living being that feel every idea, thought, pain, laugh, joy of every human beying. Actually, we are all part (excepting those who betreyed God for sake of money) of this infinite being you name "Universe", but I would name it God Almighty.


Yes, you are right. This is the true philosophical aspect. But also there is an material aspect. You know how the nervs and synapses in everyones brain contact together and how it looks like? Ok, now look at this picture, showing millions of Galaxies...




So let me say it in your words: Allahu Akbar!  :)
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This can lead to genocide.

You are certainly right, that such ideas have been badly abused in the past, particularly in the West and Europe.

Perhaps I am an idealist, I'd like to think we can be civilized enough to have civilized approaches toward family planning without disenfranchising others. I'd like to believe we can say people shouldn't have larger families than they can afford to care for, without that devolving into hatred for some people, or genocide.

Look at China, with their one child policy.
They are a model of successful family planning, their system didn't devolve into genocide like in the west.
Now, China's system too has shortcomings, but for the most part it's been a success. I'm not saying we need a one child policy, each nation has unique needs.

I agree people have many rights over their own body, but I think these rights become fuzzy when you involve the rights of children. I find it hard to say anyone has the right to more children than they can provide the best, or at least reasonable, education and support for.

In many nations with great poverty, promoting smaller families can be a boon, it can save the lives of countless children who would otherwise not even have a chance at surviving.

Basically, what I'm trying to say, is there's a large grey area on these issues. It's not acceptable that some people should become viewed as second class citizens, but at the same time it's not acceptable to have population dynamics that will hurt the nation in the future, or families so large that the resources do not exist to provide children from families of all socioeconomic strata equal opportunities for success in education. Maybe there's some approach that allows for the best of both worlds, a situation in which the nation benefits from healthy population dynamics, families benefit at all socioeconomic strata in turn, yet all citizens are made to feel valued and loved by society, without fear of generating some underclass.
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US is a Protestant nation... This isn't 1066.
Rather a Neo Protestant one. Since 1054, in Europe the Church founded by Jesus Christ splitt and was divided in Eastern Church (also knew as Orthodox Church) and Western Church also knew as Catholic Church. At its turn the Catholic Church divided and became Protestant Curch and Catholic Church. Beginning with half of 18th century from Protestant Church separated groups of believers who became Neo Protestants, the most perfidious association of "christians". During all these times, the Catholic Church and Orthodox Curch (this last lesser) were penetrated by false believers of Jews nationality whose main objective was to seed confusion among christians, to preach false teachings, having nothing in common with the originary Church, with christian traditions and teachings.
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