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This is a cunning plan to find the forum Jews.

A thread like this exist,it was started by Shirazi last year.

My parents are Zoroastrian.

no remember folks its not jews, its zionists,

Jews are Jews

Zionists are fake jews.

Zionists.

There are Christian Zionists.
There are Atheist Zionists.

Even some apostate Muslims like Mubarak are Zionists.

Torah true Judaism like the Naturae Karta forbid Zionism.
http://www.nkusa.org/

In Iran we have patriotic, Torah true Jews who hate Zionism, God bless them.

...at least be consistent in your idiocy. You cannot claim that certain ethnicities and cultures are more inclined to do harm but not apply the same to religions. Applying your logic, Jews and Christians are more inclined to bombard Muslim babies and should therefore be exterminated. They should also not be given any jobs and their right to reproduce should be limited. But, then again, they are financially more successfully than the Mosleman and therefore more competent. Its all very tricky really when you make it up as you go.

I gather you are responding to me.

Brother, I am sorry if I have offended your sensibilities with my understanding of the world.
But it is necessary to make all my views known.
It appears I have once again failed to explain myself properly, for which I apologize. I can see why you might have misunderstood.
I don't believe people should have their character judged based on anything but the actions of their conscience.
For others reading this conversation, please reference the conversation which occurred in the following thread for proper context:
http://www.iranmilitaryforum.net/index.php?topic=8080.0

There are people of every religion, and every ethnic group, and every race, that have every level of intellect and natural ability in all fields. But there is difference between individuals.
I am not born good at everything. I am not born with the most marketable innate skills. But that's OK, I can contribute best what I am good at and what I love to do. And if that means my aptitudes are in high demand, I will have a higher income and may have more children, otherwise, I will have fewer children.
We as a society needs to move back to our roots, everyone doesn't have to be good at everything. Everyone isn't born with aptitude for everything. This is an invention of modern western sociology. But Iran is revolutionary, Iran can change the civilization paradigm to incorporate intelligent policies regarding reproduction, better to anarchy and disorder.

I don't believe people should be allowed to have more children than their income will allow. We are all born different. Some are born with extreme deficiencies. Those people deserve the same respect as others, because our civilization needs unity. But they should concentrate their energies on other tasks than raising children. I am a strong believer that people should not have more children than their income will allow, for which I make no apologies. This should be done by financially incentivising higher-income families to have more children because we can be more certain they have more marketable aptitudes and they can also provide a better life for their children. Access to contraception for lower classes can be improved (many people don't know some supposed methods of contraception have been used in arabia and persia for centuries, even in medieval europe).

This isn't racist ideas or character judgements based on how you are born. I think there may be good ideas here. One of many solutions for revolutionary civilization.

I apologize if there is a misunderstanding.
But I don't apologize for my understanding, I cannot help that I believe in what I know to be true. And one thing you cannot have me surrender, is the hope to convert you to my understanding. You are my Brother. And if I know something to be right, and true, I hope I can get all my brothers to agree or at least understand each others' reason and logic behind the ideas we debate. Forgive me my ambition, Brother. This, is of importance to me.

Apa kabar, Welcome to the forum zulfikar, nice to have you around.

no remember folks its not jews, its zionists,

Jews are Jews

Zionists are fake jews.

actually the thread is about religion, and zionists dont have one... jews do! and when I was saying I meant jews not zionists, because its not a faith!

This is a cunning plan to find the forum Jews.

I would keep my eye on the two people that voted "Other" 

I praise the Universe. I belive that the Universe has its own personality.  And all things together bring its part into this personality.

I am newbie here but i must criticize this. You should split christianity, we have catholics and orthodox. Probably most of people on this forum are orthodox, orthodox are: Russia, Serbia... and most of them share your view on this world where NATO try to rule on this planet, than what for would catholics visit this forum when they mostly dont support Iran, their governmants try to conquer Iran....

US is a Protestant nation... This isn't 1066.

This can lead to genocide.

You are certainly right, that such ideas have been badly abused in the past, particularly in the West and Europe.

Perhaps I am an idealist, I'd like to think we can be civilized enough to have civilized approaches toward family planning without disenfranchising others. I'd like to believe we can say people shouldn't have larger families than they can afford to care for, without that devolving into hatred for some people, or genocide.

Look at China, with their one child policy.
They are a model of successful family planning, their system didn't devolve into genocide like in the west.
Now, China's system too has shortcomings, but for the most part it's been a success. I'm not saying we need a one child policy, each nation has unique needs.

I agree people have many rights over their own body, but I think these rights become fuzzy when you involve the rights of children. I find it hard to say anyone has the right to more children than they can provide the best, or at least reasonable, education and support for.

In many nations with great poverty, promoting smaller families can be a boon, it can save the lives of countless children who would otherwise not even have a chance at surviving.

Basically, what I'm trying to say, is there's a large grey area on these issues. It's not acceptable that some people should become viewed as second class citizens, but at the same time it's not acceptable to have population dynamics that will hurt the nation in the future, or families so large that the resources do not exist to provide children from families of all socioeconomic strata equal opportunities for success in education. Maybe there's some approach that allows for the best of both worlds, a situation in which the nation benefits from healthy population dynamics, families benefit at all socioeconomic strata in turn, yet all citizens are made to feel valued and loved by society, without fear of generating some underclass.