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朝鲜阅兵出现新型导弹，推测射程5000km

2012-4-15 11:12:28

朝鲜今天庆祝朝鲜前领导人金日成百年诞辰，当天举行大规模阅兵式。朝鲜最先进的弹道导弹第一次出现，推测射程5000左右。载车8x8。用a3的标准衡量这属于洲际导弹了，但是5000km能打到哪里呢，前不着村后不着店的。a3的怎么还没试射呢，过了他们承诺的时间两个礼拜了都。
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CDer说这重型车是中国出口的，但是现在还没有确切消息
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三级固体导弹。
 去年美帝卫星就发现朝鲜进行过多次发动机地面点火试验，该型导弹就像那款单级液体“舞水端里”导弹一样还没进行过飞行试验。
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西方称之为“KN-08”。
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A new TEL IRBM with 5000 km range, made of 3 solid stages was unveil at the military parade today in Pyongyang commemorating the centennial birth anniversary of Kim Il Sung. The 8x8 TEL is said to be Chinese export version. The NATO code name is KN-08.











Source: http://blog.yahoo.com/_QOJA2PW2UDKEPPW3ASIUDS7MEY/articles/214080




As seen from outer space: Top left, jewels crowning the May 15 military parade, 6 brand new Hwasong-13 ICBMs following 8 Hwasong-10 IRBMs. Source: http://www.hinews.asia/sub_read.html?uid=1778&section=sc1&section2=

CNTV  Video
http://news.cntv.cn/app/20120415/111313.shtml

Source
http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-1363837-1-1.html

North Korea develops new long-range missile – report

14 April, 2012, 17:39

Pyongyang is developing a new long-range ballistic missile – a separate program from Friday’s failed rocket launch, aimed at bringing a satellite into orbit, South Korean TV station reported on Saturday.
 
­YTN, a 24-hours news channel in South Korea, quoted an intelligence source as saying the country carried out four tests over 16 weeks until early this year to develop an inter-continental missile at a test facility at Musudan-ri on the northeastern coast.


The tests were reportedly aimed at improving engines and propellant fuel for the missile, code-named KN-08.

Source
http://rt.com/news/north-korea-new-test-055/

N. Korea Shows Off New Missile During Parade

April 16, 2012

As part of celebrations marking the centennial of the state's founder Kim Il-sung Pyeongyang showed off nearly 900 units of weaponry Sunday, the largest number of weaponry showcased in North Korea's history.

They included a new type of long-range missile, which some experts say could be placed on par with the intercontinental ballistic missile, or ICBM.

South Korean and U.S. military sources say the newly unveiled missile is over 18-meters long, and has a range of up to six-thousand kilometers, giving it a capacity similar to that of an ICBM.

However, some analysts stress that it COULD be intended to be used as an ICBM, but is hard to tell at this point.

Source
http://www.arirang.co.kr/News/News_View.asp?nseq=128063&code=Ne2&category=2

中国曾向某国批量出口八轴超重型特种越野车图


Original Russian МАЗ-79221, reverse engineered as Chinese Super heavy-duty cross-country chassis WS51200

Super heavy-duty cross-country chassis type WS51200

An undisclosed country [DPRK implied] ordered a batch of Super heavy-duty cross-country chassis type WS51200 for 30 millions RMB in October 2010. A prepayment of 12 millions RMB has been made. Negociations started in 2008. Super heavy-duty cross-country chassis type WS51200 is developed by China Aerospace Science and Industry Corp., 9th Institut and has a total mass of 122 tons with a length of 21 meters.

Sources
http://www.casic.com.cn/n16/n1115/n2888/548509.html
http://www.sasac.gov.cn/n1180/n1226/n2410/n314319/13551197.html
http://military.china.com/news/02/11078237/20120416/17149765.html

这就是中国三江航天集团作为民用车辆对外推广的WS51200型八轴超重型越野车。型号为WS51200，驱动形式16×12（六个驱动轴，两个从动轴），美国康明斯KTTA19-C700发动机，额定功率522kw，最大扭矩2731牛米，德国ZF WSK440+16S251自动变速箱，总质量122吨，整备质量42吨，装载质量80吨，车长20.11米，车宽3.35米，车高3.35米，轮胎直径1.6米。

This is the China Sanjiang Aerospace Group civilian type WS51200 eight-axis ultra-heavy-duty off-road vehicle.
Model WS51200 has six drive shafts and two driven shafts.
It is powered by an American CUMMINS KTTA19-C700 diesel engine: Cycle 6-Cylinders 4-Strokes, Turbocharged/Aftercooled with a   
rated power 700hp/2100rpm, 522kw/2100rpm, displacement 19L, maximum torque of 2731 Nm. The fuel consumption is132.8[35.1]
 L/hr[g/hr].
The automatic transmission is a German ZF Friedrichshafen WSK440+16S251.
It has a total mass of 122 tons, the payload mass is 80 tons. It measures 20.11 meters long, 3.35 meters wide, 3.35 meters high. The diameter of the tire is 1.6 m.


Sources
http://www.enginepartscom.com/cumminsenginetype/k19/20101102/147523/
http://www.cnweapon.com/html/news/2012-04/news66335.html

N.Korean Missile Platform 'Came from China'

Apr. 17, 2012 09:25 KST

The mobile platform that transported what looked like an intercontinental ballistic missile in Sunday's military parade in Pyongyang was probably imported from China. A government source here said it looks very similar to platforms from a Chinese maker of special vehicles.

The mobile platform was about 20 m long and had 16 wheels. According to sources, a Chinese company that manufactures specialized mobile launchers for ICBMs and multiple launch rocket systems for the People's Liberation Army produced and exported eight 16-wheelers known as the WS-51200 between 2010 and 2011.

That would mean Beijing may be in violation of a UN Security Council resolution banning shipments of weapons to the North. UN Security Council Resolution 1874 prohibits North Korea from launching long-range projectiles using ICBM technology and bans other countries from dealing in such weapons and related technology with the North.

The 16-wheeler platform used in the military parade in Pyongyang (above) looks very similar to the platform from a Chinese maker of special vehicles (below). /AP-Yonhap

Source
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2012/04/17/2012041700660.html

发表于 2012-4-16 17:45:28 |只看该作者

kktt 发表于 2012-4-16 08:51
http://www.fresh.co.il/vBulletin/showpost.php?p=4215619&postcount=89
 
以色列论坛上认为这是液体弹,  ...

 证据不足，只有一个口，怎么加注？况且是模型弹，没细节。印度人的“大地”导弹，氧化剂箱和燃料箱各有一个加注口（临近的是溢出活门？）。

Claiming it is liquid fueled, based on the refueling hatch picture is not sufficient, as there is only a single one. This should be a maskirovka.

Source
http://www.9ifly.cn/forum.php?mod=redirect&goto=findpost&ptid=8954&pid=188679

2012-4-18 17:12:50

The surface structure is another indication that the warhead is a mock-up. On several photos, it is easy to see that the warhead’s surface is undulated, as if a thin metal sheet was fixed onto a simple inner frame consisting of numerous stringers (see Figure 2). A real warhead’s casing has to resist thermal and structural loads of an atmospheric reentry and is certainly not designed this way.







High resolution pictures
http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2012-04-15T131017Z_01_PYG42_RTRIDSP_3_KOREA-NORTH.jpg
http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2012-04-16T092906Z_01_PYO06_RTRIDSP_3_KOREA-NORTH.jpg
http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2012-04-15T133636Z_1596133397_GM1E84F1O8501_RTRMADP_3_KOREA-NORTH.JPG
http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/3a0de725aaa2dd0a0c0f6a7067009dd9.jpg
http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2012-04-15T134113Z_01_PYG44_RTRIDSP_3_KOREA-NORTH.jpg
 
Source
http://www.9ifly.cn/forum.php?mod=redirect&goto=findpost&ptid=8954&pid=189231
http://lewis.armscontrolwonk.com/files/2012/04/KN-08_Analysis_Schiller_Schmucker.pdf

N.Korea Shows Off Weapons at Military Parade

Apr. 16, 2012 12:06 KST

North Korea unveiled what looked like an intercontinental ballistic missile at a massive military parade on Sunday marking the centenary of nation founder Kim Il-sung, though it is unlikely that the device is anything but a mock-up. Bigger and longer than the Musudan mid-range missile with a range of 3,000-4,000 km currently in use, it would, if functioning, be an ICBM with a range of 5,000-6,000 km capable of reaching Alaska, said a military source here.

South Korean and U.S. intelligence had expected North Korea to unveil the missile at the parade, but are not convinced that it works.

The missile is about 18 m long, 6 m longer and 50 cm wider in diameter than the Musudan missile. The Musudan is a single-stage missile, but the new device has two more stages that would boost its maximum range.

It was mounted on a large mobile platform like the transporter erector launcher which is used to carry the Scud, Rodong and Musudan missiles. The platform had 16 wheels like Russian platforms that carry state-of-the-art SS-27 ICBMs.

Source
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2012/04/16/2012041601262.html

"Read my lips!"

APRIL 17, 2012 08:31

The source said Kim Jong Un also smiled whenever vehicles loaded with ballistic missiles passed, including the new long-range missile, and said, “Great, Great!” Pointing at one missile, he asked, “Have we ever launched it?"

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During the 15 April military parade, Korean Mountain infantry platoon ski equipments were actually also made of wood!

Source
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2012041731138

04/23/2012 12:41 

China road mobile ICBM Dongfeng-31A has a range of 11,200 km.
Russia road mobile ICBM Topol-M has a range of 11,000 km.
Korea Hwasong-13 road mobile ICBM is similar and has a 11,000 km range.

China's Dongfeng-31A and Russia's Topol-M road mobile ICBM are both contained in a large cylindrical tube, unlike the Hwasong-13 parade model.   

The Hwasong-13 is composed of nine parts.

Nuclear warhead is 3m length

A single Maneuvering rocket engine

High-speed Reentry vehicle

Post-booster vehicle, the all directional control rocket increasing significantly the accuracy is 0.5m in length

Adaptor section 0.7m length

Second stage coupling section length is 0.7m 

Second solid fuel propellant stage length is 4.5m 

First stage coupling section length is 1.3m 

First solid fuel propellant stage length is 7m

The total lenght is about 20.7m

Source
http://www.tongilnews.com/news/articleView.html?idxno=98238

Soviet SS-20 ICBM nuclear multiple warheads (Earth Atmosphere Re-Entry Vehicle, REV). Similar in shape to the Hwasong-10 (aka Musudan IRBM), hint for the Hwasong-13.


Minuteman III REV mini rocket propellant nozzle

Source
http://blog.yahoo.com/_QOJA2PW2UDKEPPW3ASIUDS7MEY/articles/214080

N. Korean Vice Marshal Says Military Capable of Striking U.S.

April 26, 2012

In a televised speech marking the 80th anniversary of the founding of the North Korean People's Army Vice Marshal Ri Yong Ho boasted that its army had the weapons capacity of defeating the United States with a "single blow."

Source
http://www.arirang.co.kr/News/News_View.asp?nseq=128748&code=Ne2&category=2

Three messages from Pyongyang's party

Apr 25, 2012

PYONGYANG - During a week-long trip to North Korea, my wife and I were invited to attend a series of events to celebrate last week's centennial of the birth of Kim Il-sung, the founding father of North Korea, or the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK).

This author was taken to the command of the global strike force (inter-continental ballistic missiles - ICBM) of the Korean People's Army (KPA) to have a first-hand look at its long-range missiles including road-mobile ICBMS all indigenously designed and assembled.

There, a briefing officer told me that all the road-mobile ICBMs remain on high alert, ready around the clock to be blasted off at an instant's notice towards strategic targets on the American mainland. He also said that the global strike force would soon complete a shift to a road-mobile system.

He did not forget to stress that North Korea's two preceding leaders had taken the hard road in building the awesome military muscle of North Korea today, which includes several hundred nuclear weapons, though this had come at the expense of a better life for the heroic Korean people. Kim Jong-eun is determined to live up to the people's expectations by giving them with wealth and prosperity under socialism.

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That goes a long way towards accounting for the reason why the Americans stop short of venturing into a preemptive strike on North Korea.

The April 15 military parade displayed potentially game-ending road-mobile sleek ICBMs mounted on brand-new 16-wheel transporter-erector-launcher vehicles, which are capable of detonating super-EMP bombs far above the metropolitan US.

There are two least-noticed facts. One is that the two official nuclear tests by North Korea involved trigger devices of hydrogen bombs, designed to generate maximum electromagnetic pulses throughout the US mainland from coast to coast. The other is that 10 years ago, as far back as 1993, the KPA's rapid-response strike force has had the whole of the US within its effective range.

In April 2001, the Associated Press quoted navy representative Mark Kirk's "terrifying encounter in 1993 with what seemed possible nuclear attack" from North Korea. He recalled:

"It was a no notice, no warning missile launch out of North Korea, and for the first and only time in my career in the NMJIC [National Military Joint Intelligence Center], I got to see all of the panoply of the United States military wake up in a few seconds.

"We did not know what kind of missile it was, so the impact area, at the beginning, was the entire United States, and you thought about what we might be doing in the next 12 minutes: would we be notifying the president that we had lost an American city? We were going to know the answer in 12 minutes. "

At first it still included the Pacific Coast, then it included Hawaii.

AP added: "'Little was made of the 1993 launch at the time because it wasn't determined until later that it likely flew over Japan and landed in the Pacific Ocean,' Kirk said."

It was not until 1998 that the US notified the Japanese government of the flyover of a North Korean long-range missile before splashing down off Hawaii. The US National Aeronautics and Space Administration quietly labeled the 1998 satellite launch a success.

According to a February 12, 2003 AP report, US intelligence concluded a few years earlier that North Korea had a ballistic missile capable of hitting the western United States and possibly targets farther inland.

South Korean KBS World June 24, 2011 reported: "Voice of America (VOA) says, Dr Peter Pry, who was a nuclear weapons expert in the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), said that a Russian scientist who developed the EMP bomb said the technology was leaked to North Korea!"

Dr Peter Vincent Pry, president of EMPact America, a citizens lobbying group, made a highly revealing observation: "... An electromagnetic pulse, or EMP, is a super energetic radio wave that's immediately harmless to people, but it'll burn out all the critical electronic systems that sustain human economic activity and human life across vast areas, including the entire continental United States.

"North Korea's last round of tests, conducted in May 2009, appear to have included a "super-EMP" weapon, capable of emitting enough gamma rays to disable the electric power grid across most of the lower 48 states."

North Korea's nuclear tests have been dismissed as failures by some analysts because of their low explosive yield. But Dr Pry believes they bore the "signature" of the Russian-designed "super-EMP" weapon, capable of emitting more gamma radiation than a 25-megaton nuclear weapon.

The Center for Security Policy, in a report issued last year, has estimated that in the event of a wide-scale EMP attack on the United States, as many as nine out of ten Americans would be dead within one year:

"Within a year of that attack, nine out of 10 Americans would be dead, because we can't support a population of the present size in urban centers and the like without electricity," said Frank Gaffney, president of the Center for Security Policy. "

Depending on the developments, Supreme commander Kim Jong-eun may be tempted to single the Japanese archipelago out as the first testing site for EMP bombs for the Americans to see the extent of its destructiveness.

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Kim Myong Chol is author of a number of books and papers in Korean, Japanese and English on North Korea, including Kim Jong-il's Strategy for Reunification. He has a PhD from the Democratic People's Republic of Korea's Academy of Social Sciences and is often called an "unofficial" spokesman of Kim Jong-eun and North Korea.


Source
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/ND25Dg01.html

2012.04.23 15:35

The Hwasong-13 is a Topol class ICBM.
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But this time only the Hwasong-13 (Mars-13) ICBM is publicly displayed on parade, while the Hwasong-14 currently under development and even more powerful and more frightening Hwasong-15, Hwasong-16 and Hwasong-17 ICBMs have not been disclosed to anyone...

Source
http://www.minjok.com/news/news_view.php?code=37134

Apr 26, 2012

Hwasong-14 uses solid propellant

Source
http://blog.yahoo.com/_QOJA2PW2UDKEPPW3ASIUDS7MEY/articles/214080

Hwasong-14 MIRV ICBM

2012.04.28 19:06:50

Hwasong-14 ICBM has a 14,000 km range, with Multiple warheads (MIRV) payload.

Hwasong-13 and Hwasong-14 ICBMs are deployed in deep tunnels of North Hamgyong Mountains at more than 2000 meters high, making them difficult to detect, as the Hwasong-13 is mounted on TELs.

The 10,700 km flight distance to Washington DC requires only 30 minutes for the 800 kiloton warheads. The explosion radius is 13 km.
 
Source
http://nodong.org/bbs/1057002

Iranians should absolutely get the blueprints of KN-08. Swap with Safir or Simorgh tech. NK wants to put satellites in orbit, Iran needs long range ballistics missiles, get it done guys

16 wheels TEL ?

For example, NK have three-stage BMs, Iran is yet to go beyond two stages.

Its possible, I heard the same rumors. Nonetheless cooperation makes progress faster, common sense. West extensively cooperates, and Iran doesnt have many friends for that, NK is pretty much the only choice.

Iran is more advanced in many areas, but not in all. Therefore Iran shouldnt dismiss know-how of NK in areas Iran is behind, even if its 10% of overall ballistic missiles knowledge-base. For example, NK have three-stage BMs, Iran is yet to go beyond two stages.

Its possible, I heard the same rumors. Nonetheless cooperation makes progress faster, common sense. West extensively cooperates, and Iran doesnt have many friends for that, NK is pretty much the only choice. Russia/China might deal something under the table, but until sanctions are lifted, I doubt Iran will get anything decent (S400 or ICBM) from them.

U. S. and South Korean intelligence analysts believe the new facility is directly related to testing North Korea’s new 6,200 mi. range 130 ft. tall “Satan” long range ICBM and a related North Korean/Iranian space launch booster with up to six engines clustered in the first stage.

Iran and possibly North Korea plan to use the large new space launch booster to send Iranian and North Korean astronauts into space.

According to Charles P. Vick at Global Security.org, some analysts believe North Korea hopes to turn the Satan into a semi-mobile ICBM for concealment in caves etc. That would be very hard to do with such a large liquid fueled rocket he notes .Evident in images of the launch tower are service levels built for the much wider and taller Satan ICBM and space launch vehicles. The entire upper servicing level, with a large circular opening in the floor, extends well above the top of the Unha-3/TD-2 on the pad.

http://www.americaspace.org/?p=17120

North Korean Unha-3/TD-2 class launch in 2009 was the most recent flight prior to this week's. This one was off an east coast pad. Note how much smaller the service tower is, sized specifically to the TD-2. Photo Credit: Yonhap News Agency

North Korean Unha-3/TD-2 rocket sits in massive service tower at the new West Sea Coast Launch Site. Note how service structure can handle a much taller and wider rocket vehicle.