Author Topic: Al jazeera (Read 1409 times)

berislac · « **on:** February 11, 2012, 05:03:03 PM »

I think that this TV station deserves its own topic.It is clear they are becoming a voice for Muslims all over the world.But with one correction:Zionist voice for Muslims.I am writing this down because couple of weeks ago Al jazeera started broadcast its own TV channel in Bosnian.It is called Bosnian Al jazeera.Its only goal is to lie to the people and lie with no shame.This station is here to confront Iranian influence in Bosnia and to engage in media war with Iranian base Sahar TV.The general editor of this corrupted bunch is Goran Milic.And now I will told you his life story.He started his career as a young reporter for Yugoslavian national TV.He was a leading communist in this new wave of young reporters and soon starting to advance.He was communist party favorite reporter and soon he become number one and started to leading most important political shown as well as creating program.When Yugoslavia started to fall apart he switch sides and become a Croatian nationalist(but only when Serbs started to loosing war).So he was now leading national journalist and was covering war in Yugoslavia as well as later destruction of Croatia by Zionist thieves.In war time he was a strongly right oriented and was against the EU.But in late 2000s he again switch sides and became leading PRO EU reporter.And guess what the newly form government just loved him.Now he is great democracy defender on Al jazeera and I dont have to mention that he is strongly against Syrian government and Iran.The second editor is even better.Iva Gacic she was leading editor of Croatian based right wing TVshow called Mokrista.In this show she was spreading anti Muslim hate on daily bases.She was strongly against Iranian help for Bosnian Muslims I remember that one good.Her ant Muslim speeches where well known at that time.And now she is democracy fighter.And guess who is on her agenda again???Of course gentleman Iran.So all of this can not be accidentally there are here with a job to do.And we all now where they masters are..I hope that Bosnian people will seen through this propaganda.

IronHorse110 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 11, 2012, 06:14:20 PM »

al jazeera is zionist owned, so i have heard and from the propoganda they spew it could possibly be true.

if anyone can confirm or deny this please share and any source would be appreciated

the8march · « **Reply #2 on:** February 11, 2012, 07:59:42 PM »

All people who work in aljazeera are ex-something. This doesnt matter. Now they are aljazeera. They have to do what they are told in a good way. They will be rewarded. As with every info source, people have to be careful and cross info with other sources.

Aljazeera are not zionists. But they have an agenda set by qatar.. Their policy depends on the interests of qatar... Their coverage of the wars on lebanon, gaza and iraq was good for ex...

reza18 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 11, 2012, 10:59:25 PM »

They're a sectarian news channel..They drive the Wahabi agenda more than Al Arabia albeit in a more subtle way..Their method of operation is the classic half truths whole lies method..Most of the presenters there are ex-BBC,CNN or other Western propaganda outlets..

Comparing them to PressTv, PressTv is more "in your face" while Al Jazeera uses subtle hints to slowly shape their audience opinions - much like the BBC..They also pay a lot so they get the best "guest", "experts" and "prominent people" Qatari petro-dollars can buy..People are now beginning to realize this but I'm afraid the damage's already done.It's become obvious that thier reporting on Syria is just crass propaganda but they don't give a damn..They still have their support base that will still believe whatever they say regardless...

mbulava · « **Reply #4 on:** February 12, 2012, 07:58:26 AM »

Quote from: YMJ on February 11, 2012, 06:14:20 PM

al jazeera is zionist owned, so i have heard and from the propoganda they spew it could possibly be true.

if anyone can confirm or deny this please share and any source would be appreciated

Aljazeera is the most viewed channel in Arab world, more than 200 million watch it on a daily basis. and its our main source of information aside with Alarabia Channel. Its important to say that Aljazeera is a pro Iranian more than its a pro Arab regimes. its the most helpful and significant agitator of Arabs revolutions. It was absolutely a pro- Hezbollah in its war in 2006, as well as a pro-Hamas in its war in 2009. We as Arabs like it because there are no red lines in its broadcasting. Actually, it dedicated 24/7 of its broadcasting covering Tunisian, Egyptian, yemeni and Lybian revolutions but in the Syrian case- unfortunatelly- it covers much less than other revolutions despite the harsh criticisms of Syrian regime.

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mbulava · « **Reply #5 on:** February 12, 2012, 08:11:33 AM »

Quote from: reza18 on February 11, 2012, 10:59:25 PM

They're a sectarian news channel..They drive the Wahabi agenda more than Al Arabia albeit in a more subtle way..Their method of operation is the classic half truths whole lies method..Most of the presenters there are ex-BBC,CNN or other Western propaganda outlets..

Comparing them to PressTv, PressTv is more "in your face" while Al Jazeera uses subtle hints to slowly shape their audience opinions - much like the BBC..They also pay a lot so they get the best "guest", "experts" and "prominent people" Qatari petro-dollars can buy..People are now beginning to realize this but I'm afraid the damage's already done.It's become obvious that thier reporting on Syria is just crass propaganda but they don't give a damn..They still have their support base that will still believe whatever they say regardless...

You can accuse Aljazeera with everything but not being sectarian. Thats absolutely and utterly untrue. But quite the contrary, it avoids as much as possible mentioning or hinting sectarianism in any way everywhere, although it exists and obvious. So it limits its interest and focus on political views and differences.

impera · « **Reply #6 on:** February 12, 2012, 08:12:58 AM »

Al-Jazeera is the mouthpiece of the emir of Qatar and his favorite toy. Al-Jazeera was founded by decree of the emir, funded by the emir, is controlled by the family of the emir and covers events according wishes Hamad bin Khalifa Al-Thani

Pasdar · « **Reply #7 on:** February 12, 2012, 08:21:32 AM »

Quote from: mbulava on February 12, 2012, 08:11:33 AM

You can accuse Aljazeera with everything but not being sectarian. Thats absolutely and utterly untrue. But quite the contrary, it avoids as much as possible mentioning or hinting sectarianism in any way everywhere, although it exists and obvious. So it limits its interest and focus on political views and differences.

The sectarianism on Al-jazeera is very evident throughout their daily coverage. In fact, many of their employees have quit over this matter, including some higher placed people.

Pasdar · « **Reply #8 on:** February 12, 2012, 08:29:47 AM »

Quote from: mbulava on February 12, 2012, 07:58:26 AM

Aljazeera is the most viewed channel in Arab world, more than 200 million watch it on a daily basis. and its our main source of information aside with Alarabia Channel. Its important to say that Aljazeera is a pro Iranian more than its a pro Arab regimes. its the most helpful and significant agitator of Arabs revolutions. It was absolutely a pro- Hezbollah in its war in 2006, as well as a pro-Hamas in its war in 2009. We as Arabs like it because there are no red lines in its broadcasting. Actually, it dedicated 24/7 of its broadcasting covering Tunisian, Egyptian, yemeni and Lybian revolutions but in the Syrian case- unfortunatelly- it covers much less than other revolutions despite the harsh criticisms of Syrian regime.
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They are quite anti-Iranian, and serve western interest. Why do you think its reporters were banned from covering in Iran? Why do you think the channel is praised by many in the west and on all the networks in Europe, while they wanted and eventually did ban presstv? Why do you think they have outposts disturbing the satellite frequencies of Presstv, they don't care about that stupid chann?

mbulava · « **Reply #9 on:** February 12, 2012, 08:47:04 AM »

Quote from: the8march on February 11, 2012, 07:59:42 PM

All people who work in aljazeera are ex-something. This doesnt matter. Now they are aljazeera. They have to do what they are told in a good way. They will be rewarded. As with every info source, people have to be careful and cross info with other sources.

Aljazeera are not zionists. But they have an agenda set by qatar.. Their policy depends on the interests of qatar... Their coverage of the wars on lebanon, gaza and iraq was good for ex...

good to hear that... but i will ask you a question:
why was the covering of Aljazeera so nice and fair in Lebanon war, Gaza war, Iraq war, Arabs revolutions, and almost all events, but when it came to Syrian revolution Qatar turned to tool by west. Since you are an Arab, you remember well American pressure and criticism of Aljazeera in 2003, and you remember how Israel reacted in lebanon and gaza wars. And you remember well who helped you rebuilding south Lebanon. Moreover, you know very well that the coverage of Syrian revolution 5% compared to other revolutions despite that the Syrian regime cruelty is much more than other regimes. just use your mind and think in a reasonable way. Those who are being killed and tortured in Syria are the people who embraced and hosted you in 2006 not the regime. I am a Sunni but we supported you with all of our hearts in 2006. And when I was 13 years old, I was watching Almanar 24 hours and it was my favorite channel, I remember "ma3 almoshahdeen"program and how people from all over Arab world calling and crying for you and with you. But is this how you repay who loved and supported you??? you have no clue or idea how much the image Hizbullah is distorted and damaged in Arabs peoples' eyes because of its stance with the Syrian regime. I guess its time to say I was totally deceived...

mbulava · « **Reply #10 on:** February 12, 2012, 09:04:27 AM »

Quote from: Pasdar on February 12, 2012, 08:21:32 AM

The sectarianism on Al-jazeera is very evident throughout their daily coverage. In fact, many of their employees have quit over this matter, including some higher placed people.

they quite because they are a pro Syrian regime.

Quote from: Pasdar on February 12, 2012, 08:29:47 AM

They are quite anti-Iranian, and serve western interest. Why do you think its reporters were banned from covering in Iran? Why do you think the channel is praised by many in the west and on all the networks in Europe, while they wanted and eventually did ban presstv? Why do you think they have outposts disturbing the satellite frequencies of Presstv, they don't care about that stupid chann?

I am not here to defend it but rather to tell the truth about the channel i always watch. Aljazeera was accused many times in supporting terrorism in the west. I guess it doesn't matter who praise or criticize since it got praised and criticized from all sides. I also criticize it because of its insufficient coverage of Syrian revolution.

the8march · « **Reply #11 on:** February 12, 2012, 09:32:01 AM »

Mbulava, i will answer ur questions in a while as soon as i get to my pc... May i ask where do u come from?

mbulava · « **Reply #12 on:** February 12, 2012, 09:41:08 AM »

Quote from: the8march on February 12, 2012, 09:32:01 AM

Mbulava, i will answer ur questions in a while as soon as i get to my pc... May i ask where do u come from?

Jordan

IronHorse110 · « **Reply #13 on:** February 12, 2012, 10:20:17 AM »

Quote from: mbulava on February 12, 2012, 07:58:26 AM

Its important to say that Aljazeera is a pro Iranian more than its a pro Arab regimes. its the most helpful and significant agitator of Arabs revolutions. It was absolutely a pro- Hezbollah in its war in 2006, as well as a pro-Hamas in its war in 2009.

Aljazeera, from a psychoanalytical view point on propaganda, it's very similar to BBC in the propaganda it broadcasts and everyone knows how BBC propagates. They don't outright show their bias, but during key points in time where everyone assumes they are neutral, they display their bias to the aware viewer and the unaware viewer thinks this is good old BBC, same goes for aljazeera. It actually is no way pro-Iranian, or pro-hezbollah or pro-hamas. I'm not sure where you come up with these.

Just look at the fact that Aljazeera keeps pushing anti-syria, anti-iran and anti-hezbollah propaganda, while never ever talks about the dictatorships in Jordan, Bahrain, Yemen and Saudi Arabia. This is obvious why, but it gives you a clear understanding that this channel HAS bias and it is pro-western puppet regime, therefore pro-western news media outlet.

the8march · « **Reply #14 on:** February 12, 2012, 10:58:53 AM »

Mbulava,

When you want to look over the history of such an organization you cannt say that they are correct or false, good or bad ... you have to identify when they were right and when they were wrong... and you have to look into the backgrounds of ALL news channels as not a single one is neutral or only informative ... they dont present scientific documentaries ... but politics.

1- Background: Al jazeera is based in and belongs to qatar. It is financed and controlled by the gov or Emir. Qatar as you know, is not a democracy or a free country... Its a dictatorship ... without even a nice cover ... pure dictatorship... Al Jazeera has to abide by the general guidelines set by qatar.. They set the red lines for the channel... saying that such channel has no red lines is unrealistic... Its true that aljazeera has a space of freedom that is required by such channels to get acceptance by the public, however this space is limited ... red lines will not be cut... Bot of line, you cannt be free is a dictatorship.. not in politics

2- I didn't have a problem with the channel when they used to "cover" the events prior to the revolutions... the whole arabs didnt have a problem with it... the ones that had the problems were the arab dictators (saudis), USA in its wars on Iraq and Afganistan, and Israel (Lebanon 2006 and Gaza 2008) ... these had problems and dubbed Al jazeera iranian... why? because they used to cover the events... they used to report things .. the key words are cover and report... the only who have problems with the reality on the ground are dictators and Super powers...

Now you ask why the used to cover and report only? the answer is in the policy and role of qatar... they used to have a minor politcal role ... they were for sure role seekers as they are now ... and this role seeking issues made troubles with Egypt and Saudi at that time... but they didnt have a role ... they were observers try to intervene.. or offer to intervene ... and pay money to have a role ( 2006 Lebanon rebuilding) ... or were offered a role by Syria and Iran to intimidate Saudi and Egypt... this was their status

Saying this doesnt mean that their coverage was perfect ... as it is now known from different sources including wikileaks, they maintained a relation with the Americans and were offering them time to promote their policies... you know as well how they used to get Israeli speakers and ask them silly questions

3- The whole thing changed when the revolutions happened. And their behavior was different as well... In Tunisia they covered and reported. In Egypt, we all know that they covered with exaggeration (There were no millions in that square)... In Libya they exaggerated... until it was not possible to exaggerate more... Now the whole thing started.. Qatar found that role... and Aljazeera was one of the few tools they have beside money... here they started inviting NATO into Libya... and as the struggle became harder... the free space they had was taken away from them .. they became only a tool... so in Bahrain they shut up ... and more dangerously, in Yemen... the Arab states of the gulf made the famous proposal to circumvent the revolution... and save their ally Saleh... Al Jazeera there practically worked against the revolution .. and they succeeded in softly ending the revolution by keeping Salihs aids in power... In Syria they exaggerated ... and then started lying

When a news channel becomes a tool in the hands of dictators the free people will stand against it... USA will praise it... and thats what is happening now

the8march · « **Reply #15 on:** February 12, 2012, 11:10:25 AM »

Quote from: mbulava on February 12, 2012, 08:47:04 AM

But is this how you repay who loved and supported you??? you have no clue or idea how much the image Hizbullah is distorted and damaged in Arabs peoples' eyes because of its stance with the Syrian regime. I guess its time to say I was totally deceived...

Here you have to understand some basics about the thinking of the Resistance... You support and love the resistance not to get love back ... you do this for Allah and for right... its a pride for those who support the resistance to do so ... the Resistance is actually doing so and loosing its dear youth because those who love us are watching TV and enjoy life...

We support the Syrian the people.. but not the traitors... or do you want to tell me that those supported by the gulf states will support the resistance?? or will face israel?? they openly said what will they do...

You have to know that when the resistance started, it was not a popular movement... the people viewed it as a suicide... But the resistance LEADS the people to the right way ... and not get lead by the masses to the wrong path ... and now the resistance is telling the arabs what to do in Syria ... its their choice to hear or not

Unfortunately the love and support of the Arabs to the resistance is just in words ... and few mini demonstrations... I assure you that we will not miss them .. we never benefited from them ... we will continue our struggle until we achieve the ultimate goal while they would be watching Al Jazeera, drinking tea and damning Shia

berislac · « **Reply #16 on:** February 12, 2012, 11:22:04 AM »

The8march this is all good saying.And this is exactly what I was trying to say here Al jazeera is just a tool now of Qatar politics and Qatar politics is exactly the same as Saudi gang.I just wanted to know does you guys understand this and I see you know this well.This program that started emitting in Bosnia is clear evidence of propaganda and Anti Iranian propaganda.This is on smaller level(Bosnia has 4 million people)but clearly indicates Al jazeera global politics.And I was trying to display what kind of people they recruit in their ranks.As for Qatar their role in Libyan war is shameful.Their warplanes where dropping bombs on their fellow Muslims just for Western greed of oil.

IronHorse110 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 12, 2012, 11:35:00 AM »

themarch8th,

brother you have summed things up very well. Any rebuttal to what you have said, without excepting the truth you spoke, is clearly driven by misguidance and flawed logic. You said it well, when aljazeera is based in a dictatorship how can someone actually think their reporting would be fair/balanced?

They don't report on the hypocrisy of those who oppose the resistance and Syria's government, rather they paint them as 'freedom' movements, when it's actually completely the opposite. They want to squash all opposition to Israel and western backed puppets, by portraying them as cruel dictatorships. Yet they remain silent, or even defend the british imposed al saud regime in Mecca/Medina or the british imposed regime in Jordan. From my understanding abdullah in Jordan, is half british.

If one wants to talk about fair and balanced, or pro-iranian view point, then they should expose this hypocrisy. To not talk about the western backed and british imposed puppet dictatorships in Jordan, Bahrain, Qatar, Al Saud's Arabia, Yemen etc and their role in maintaining the puppet regime in Israel, is pure hypocrisy and therefore exposes Aljazeera for what it is.

Just a clever and manipulative mouth piece for the zionist regime, in the language that arabs would understand. And by language i don't mean the arabic language, but the psychological manipulation required to get arabs to even listen.

berislac · « **Reply #18 on:** February 12, 2012, 11:43:13 AM »

YMJ +rep.Well said.I did not know that Jordan king king Is half British?

mbulava · « **Reply #19 on:** February 12, 2012, 11:58:47 AM »

Quote from: YMJ on February 12, 2012, 10:20:17 AM

Aljazeera, from a psychoanalytical view point on propaganda, it's very similar to BBC in the propaganda it broadcasts and everyone knows how BBC propagates. They don't outright show their bias, but during key points in time where everyone assumes they are neutral, they display their bias to the aware viewer and the unaware viewer thinks this is good old BBC, same goes for aljazeera. It actually is no way pro-Iranian, or pro-hezbollah or pro-hamas. I'm not sure where you come up with these.

Just look at the fact that Aljazeera keeps pushing anti-syria, anti-iran and anti-hezbollah propaganda, while never ever talks about the dictatorships in Jordan, Bahrain, Yemen and Saudi Arabia. This is obvious why, but it gives you a clear understanding that this channel HAS bias and it is pro-western puppet regime, therefore pro-western news media outlet.

The problem here is that you assume you see the "right" thing while others don't. I am not blind nor stupid. I know what BBC broadcast and what Ajazeera broadcast but there is a big difference between them. The first time in history Arab (regimes and people) and West have the same point of view regarding Syria and have the same goal regardless of the intentions here. Western countries supported Egyptian revolution, but does this mean that Husni Mubarak is a faithful indepenent leader? anyway, you don't decide what regimes should be toppled or should stay, and you in particular must not even talk about dictatorship or hint at it. I mean how dare you? is't Bashar Alassdad the most cruel dictator in arabs history?. and don't u support him?

the8march · « **Reply #20 on:** February 12, 2012, 12:03:47 PM »

Quote from: berislac on February 12, 2012, 11:43:13 AM

YMJ +rep.Well said.I did not know that Jordan king king Is half British?

Yes he is ... His arabic accent was not so good at the begining of his rule

mbulava · « **Reply #21 on:** February 12, 2012, 12:47:40 PM »

Quote from: the8march on February 12, 2012, 10:58:53 AM

Mbulava,

When you want to look over the history of such an organization you cannt say that they are correct or false, good or bad ... you have to identify when they were right and when they were wrong... and you have to look into the backgrounds of ALL news channels as not a single one is neutral or only informative ... they dont present scientific documentaries ... but politics.

Nothing is perfect except Allah.

1- Background: Al jazeera is based in and belongs to qatar. It is financed and controlled by the gov or Emir. Qatar as you know, is not a democracy or a free country... Its a dictatorship ... without even a nice cover ... pure dictatorship... Al Jazeera has to abide by the general guidelines set by qatar.. They set the red lines for the channel... saying that such channel has no red lines is unrealistic... Its true that aljazeera has a space of freedom that is required by such channels to get acceptance by the public, however this space is limited ... red lines will not be cut... Bot of line, you cannt be free is a dictatorship.. not in politics

I know that, but its the best that we can find in this world. But, do you propose watching Press TV or Alalam? No offence guys...but speaking of dictatorship, do you remember jailing Iranians players and prohibiting them from playing for showing their solidarity with Green movement? I have no interest in criticizing or debating about dictatorship but I couldn't even imagine an advice or lesson in democracy coming from our friends in Iran. I couldn't even pay attention to anything regarding this. plz let us be realistic in this.

2- I didn't have a problem with the channel when they used to "cover" the events prior to the revolutions... the whole arabs didnt have a problem with it... the ones that had the problems were the arab dictators (saudis), USA in its wars on Iraq and Afganistan, and Israel (Lebanon 2006 and Gaza 2008) ... these had problems and dubbed Al jazeera iranian... why? because they used to cover the events... they used to report things .. the key words are cover and report... the only who have problems with the reality on the ground are dictators and Super powers...

Look... I will never admit that Saudi regime is a dictatorship, you know that at least most Sunni people in Saudi Arabia admire and love him but the minority who are Shea don't. We believe that this regime rule on Islamic basis not on imported western democratic basis. At least, Shea can build their own mosques and freely perform their worship in their places without intervention from the government. Unlike Iran which prohibits building a single Sunni mosque in Tahran if i am not mistaken. No one in a place to decide that Saudi regime is good or bad except Saudi themselves, and since the Sunnah are the vast majority then all of us should respect what they want. I also believe (and frankly) that you will not rest until seeing a sheat leader on the head of Saudi Arabia and that will never happen.

Now you ask why the used to cover and report only? the answer is in the policy and role of qatar... they used to have a minor politcal role ... they were for sure role seekers as they are now ... and this role seeking issues made troubles with Egypt and Saudi at that time... but they didnt have a role ... they were observers try to intervene.. or offer to intervene ... and pay money to have a role ( 2006 Lebanon rebuilding) ... or were offered a role by Syria and Iran to intimidate Saudi and Egypt... this was their status

I don't get it at all!!! if the Qatary people love and fulfilled with their Amir why would you call him to step aside?

Saying this doesnt mean that their coverage was perfect ... as it is now known from different sources including wikileaks, they maintained a relation with the Americans and were offering them time to promote their policies... you know as well how they used to get Israeli speakers and ask them silly questions

As you know Aljazeera exaggerates what is happening in Jordan, but nevertheless its the best we can find.

3- The whole thing changed when the revolutions happened. And their behavior was different as well... In Tunisia they covered and reported. In Egypt, we all know that they covered with exaggeration (There were no millions in that square)... In Libya they exaggerated... until it was not possible to exaggerate more... Now the whole thing started.. Qatar found that role... and Aljazeera was one of the few tools they have beside money... here they started inviting NATO into Libya... and as the struggle became harder... the free space they had was taken away from them .. they became only a tool... so in Bahrain they shut up ... and more dangerously, in Yemen... the Arab states of the gulf made the famous proposal to circumvent the revolution... and save their ally Saleh... Al Jazeera there practically worked against the revolution .. and they succeeded in softly ending the revolution by keeping Salihs aids in power... In Syria they exaggerated ... and then started lying

So... you suggest that Gulf countries shouldn't have been intervened and Yemenis should topple him themselves which also means a very dangerous civil war and committing massacres. Come on... your sceptical about everything those countries do.

When a news channel becomes a tool in the hands of dictators the free people will stand against it... USA will praise it... and thats what is happening now

mbulava · « **Reply #22 on:** February 12, 2012, 12:57:16 PM »

Quote from: berislac on February 12, 2012, 11:43:13 AM

YMJ +rep.Well said.I did not know that Jordan king king Is half British?

yes his mother is a Muslim British woman, and if you are a Muslim you would absolutely know that the nationality doesn't matter but the faith. Some of us may prefer marrying a Muslim western woman. I think my point is clear here.

aymas · « **Reply #23 on:** February 12, 2012, 01:37:21 PM »

Quote from: mbulava on February 12, 2012, 09:41:08 AM

Jordan

I do hope your president Abduallah quits the way he promised if Jordanians take on to the streets against him.

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-11-14/middleeast/world_meast_syria-unrest_1_president-bashar-al-assad-sanamein-syrian-president?_s=PM:MIDDLEEAST

Pasdar · « **Reply #24 on:** February 12, 2012, 02:15:43 PM »

Quote from: mbulava on February 12, 2012, 09:41:08 AM

Jordan

Why is your country set to Afghanistan then? Anyway, to date we have not had a normal Jordanian member here.

Either way, you have a very strange view of reality, just like all the other Jordanians that were here before. The brainwashing of citizens must be very heavy in Jordan.