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InshaAllah, I will contribute to this thread whenever I can.

May God permit my effort to free us from the intellectual oppression of the holocaust myth that is being pushed forcefully and sadistically upon our innocent minds and which is being used as an excuse to ignore the crimes of the Zionist entity which is occupying Palestine.

And as a modification, I will add that what we are technically doing on this thread is not holocaust denial, but the correct term used is "Holocaust Revision."

Using phrases such as myth are just a method of speech or a manner of speaking to refer to certain aspects of the holocaust.
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Below:
Date: Apr 14, 1945
Location: Buchenwald,
Credit: USHMM, courtesy of National Archives and Records Administration, College Park
Copyright: Public Domain

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Two victims of the Buchenwald concentration camp.  Photo was taken shortly after liberation by U.S. troops. 
http://www.codoh.com/info/infoihr/ihrexplain.html , June 5, 2011.

Notice how there are only two people in the ovens.
Why is that significant.
One of the points of revisionists is that incinerating 11 million bodies (6 million Jew and 6 million non-Jew) would have required a huge amount of fuel, especially if they were incinerated down to ashes as the orthodox holocaust claimers assert.
The orthodox holocaust claimers (from here on referred to as holocaust orthodoxy) claim that the Nazis were able to get around that problem by using several bodies at once in the ovens.
As we can see in the above photos is that such was not always the case.

The larger point that I wish to make, and the theme which I will continue to return to is that if we look at the claims of the holocaust orthodoxy carefully, and we then examine the evidence carefully, then we will be able to see glaring discrepancies and logical impossibilities.

This concludes my first post.

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Here follows the website summary from which the above photo I took describing how holocaust photos can be reconciled with revisionist views:
I have made some editing changes, but I have included the link to the original:

The photograph above taken shortly after the liberation of the Buchenwald concentration camp by U.S. forces actually supports the Revisionist view of the Holocaust rather than the traditional view.

How can that be?

Crematories were the Nazis preferred method of disposing of the bodies of those who perished in the concentration camps rather than burial.  Most of the concentration camps contained such facilities.

The holocaust orthodoxy even admits that Buchenwald had no gas-chambers:
Buchenwald however is acknowledged today to have not had a gas chamber or means of mass extermination. 
In 1960, Martin Broszat of the Institute for Contemporary History in Munich specifically stated that no one was gassed at Buchenwald.(1)  Likewise, Professor A.S. Balachowsky, a member of the Institut de France, declared in 1971, "I would like to confirm to you that no gas chamber as such existed at Buchenwald..."  Holocaust writer Konnilyn Feig also conceded in her book, Hitler's Death Camps, that Buchenwald did not have a gas chamber.(2)

The holocaust orthodoxy also admits that the only camps that contained gas chambers were the ones liberated by the Soviets:
In fact, none of the Nazi Concentration Camps liberated by American or other western allied forces are generally agreed by historians to have been part of an extermination program.  The terrible scenes witnessed by Allied troops were the result of a complete collapse of the German economy, raging disease, and starvation, due not to a sinister program but rather to the destruction of supply lines to the camps. 
The Buchenwald museum  notes that 13,969 people died in 1945 alone leading up to the American liberation on April 11th.(3)  It was these deaths due to overcrowding, disease, and starvation that the Americans witnessed upon their arrival at the camp.  Even following the American liberation many hundreds more continued to die due to the same causes as experienced during the final weeks and months of the camp being run by the Nazis.

According to the claims of the holocaust orthodoxy themselves, only 11,000 Jews died in Buchenwald (including after the liberation of the camp).
11,000 dead does not match the number from a death factory that had a 24 hour a day death assembly line as the holocaust orthodoxy claims elsewhere:

The final count of Jewish dead at Buchenwald is estimated at 11,000.(4)  This number is not consistent with that of a program of genocide.

Only the Soviets liberated camps that are said to be part of an extermination program.  These were Majdanek and Auschwitz-Birkenau.  The size and number of crematory facilities at these camps are consistent with those in the west like Buchenwald and Dachau which are generally acknowledged to have not been part of any such program.

According to the holocaust orthodoxy, they have more evidence and details of death camp extermination from Dachau camp than Auschwitz camp, but Dachau is no longer considered to have been a death camp by the holocaust orthodoxy.
In fact, the evidence which was created at one time and popularly believed regarding Dachau as an extermination center is more complete and better than the Soviet war crimes report presented at Nuremberg that identified Auschwitz as an extermination center.(5)  Today it is generally acknowledged that Dachau, like Buchenwald, did not have a gas chamber or any other means of mass extermination.

 

Notes:

    Martin Broszat, No Gassing in Dachau, Die Zeit, August 26, 1960.
    Mark Weber, Buchenwald: Legend and Reality, Journal of Historical Review, Vol. 7, No. 4 Winter 1986-87, p. 412.
    The Buchenwald Museum, http://www.buchenwald.de/media_en/index.html
    Ibid.
    Translation of USSR-8, Soviet War Crimes Report on Auschwitz, Nuremberg Trial - 6 May 1945,  Translated by Carlos W. Porter


I suggest visiting the actual site for access to the hyperlinks:

http://www.codoh.com/info/infoihr/ihrexplain.html
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I am deleting your comment here because this thread is for Archiving the debate about Holocause not debating the Holocaust.
There are other thread about Holocaust that you can debate this topic.

Also He has not claimede that Holocaust did not take place but that the official story about the Holocaust (numbers, methods ... so on) are propaganda and false.

If you or anyone would like to dispute his facts, please do so but no emotional debates or arguments.

The objective of this thread is to archive.

A warning to those of you who live inthe very free world of some Western countries. Be advised it may be aginst the law of your country to debate here. You may go to jail. Respect your country's freedom and keep out.


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Am I allowed to post a quote of the UN General Secretary here?
http://www.un.org/en/holocaustremembrance/

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Please someone inform me if this is the right thread to talk about the Holocaust or if there is another one
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read what he wrote its self explanatory.

your against revisionism so your task is to dersail this thread like you always do
Ya Ali, molla Ali (as)

"There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance" - Imam Ali (as)

"''melate ma neshan dade'ast ke be hadaf haye khod momen, va dar rahe on, ta nesar'e jaan eestade'ast.. chenin melati, az america va az hiiich ghodrati nemitars'ad, va be yaari'e khoda neshan khahad daad ke pirooz az on' e hagh, va momenan be hagh ast!"

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There are times like these where the resolve of a Nation is shown clearly to the world. Oh this great Nation of Iran together with its proud citizens showed the world that when the Silent Majority gets rattled the world better pay attention:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ls4I37lQrw&feature=player_embedded#at=42  2011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbYqckFvUJI&feature=player_embedded   2010

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This brings back sooooo much memory and tears to my eyes.
http://www.iranclip.com/player/169

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Holocaust, Holocaust, I don't give a shit about Holocaust! Me wasnt born in 3rd Reich. My Parents wasnt born in 3rd Reich. Me must pay money to Israel for things me and my Parents never did. It doesent matter if the Holocaust happend or not: NO Jew has the right to tell me
guilty of something like that! And if he does it in my face, i will instantly smash him  his nose bone right into his brain! I get so sick of that shit  >:(

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And no one else has the right to tell me guilty about that shit! He also get smashed by doing it! -.-
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Yes. There died some, but  there died more sinti and roma than jews.

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Yes. There died some, but  there died more sinti and roma than jews.

Ich, you should be careful what you say on this thread, you can end up in jail for it in Germany.

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The truth will win.
 
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The english wikipedia is wrong. Even the german state confesses that there were more than 500000 sinti and roma died in "Holocaust". And it is also true that the first "tribe/race" killed in KZ were the sinti and roma IN THE YEAR OF 1936! But the "counting" of death officially begins 1939/40! So some say there were over a million sinti and roma died. And anotherone:  The number of jews died in a gaschamber decreases and decreases over the decades - officiallly! And also officially the most died as working slaves in the armament works and projects, due to less food and medicine or by bullet.
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Brother Mr-Babak-S,

thanks for your contributions. I'll be reading these once i have adequate time!

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Guys. If the germans are happy to take full responsibility of the holocaust, why do we want to say its a myth? We dont have anything to do with it

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Guys. If the germans are happy to take full responsibility of the holocaust, why do we want to say its a myth? We dont have anything to do with it

We have everything to do with it! Through this lie, they created the zionist entity and have ruined the lives of generations!

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The8March: If the germans are happy to take full responsibility of the holocaust, why do we want to say its a myth? We dont have anything to do with it.

1. The holocaust is such a obvious lie and such a prevelant lie that the truth cries out for justice. The myth of the deliberate attempt at genocide by the Germans is a falsehood that has spread all over the world and is accepted because the lie is repeated so often.

2. Whenever the USA or Israel want to invade a nation, they compare the leader of that nation to Hitler, or they compare the leaders of that nation to Nazis.

3. The Zionists use the fabrication of the holocaust as an excuse to justify robbing my Palestinian brothers of their land and then persecuting them for decades.

4. If Amerikans can be made to wake up and realize that the holocaust was a lie, then they might be more alert in the future to not accept other lies such as the lie that Ahmadinijad threatened to wipe out Israel, or the lie that Iran is planning on building nuclear weapons to blow up Israel, or the lie that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, or any other lies that the USA uses to spread mass-murder, conquest, and misery throughout the planet.

5. The minds of Germans are being oppressed with this lie, and it is our duty to liberate people from oppression.


Reason number 3 might be the most important reason.

Reason number 4 might be the second most important.

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1. The holocaust is such a obvious lie and such a prevelant lie that the truth cries out for justice. The myth of the deliberate attempt at genocide by the Germans is a falsehood that has spread all over the world and is accepted because the lie is repeated so often.

2. Whenever the USA or Israel want to invade a nation, they compare the leader of that nation to Hitler, or they compare the leaders of that nation to Nazis.

3. The Zionists use the fabrication of the holocaust as an excuse to justify robbing my Palestinian brothers of their land and then persecuting them for decades.

4. If Amerikans can be made to wake up and realize that the holocaust was a lie, then they might be more alert in the future to not accept other lies such as the lie that Ahmadinijad threatened to wipe out Israel, or the lie that Iran is planning on building nuclear weapons to blow up Israel, or the lie that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, or any other lies that the USA uses to spread mass-murder, conquest, and misery throughout the planet.

5. The minds of Germans are being oppressed with this lie, and it is our duty to liberate people from oppression.


Reason number 3 might be the most important reason.

Reason number 4 might be the second most important.

Yes, in germany you even dont have the right to read any book written by any nazi like Hitler or others. I was in munic where one exemplar is in the Staatsbibliothek. I went in and asked if i can read this book. The answer was: No. I insisted on reading the book, but the security forced me to leave the house.  If you own the book "Mein Kampf": You go to jail. If you own any nazi symbolics: You go to jail. This is free speech, free read  :teeth:! So if you dont know exactly what was going on and it is under punishable offense to build your own oppinion, then most of the germans dont wanne know what was going on.


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Can you get in iran pro shah or pro mko books?  I dont think so. Same is in germany. Although there is a going debate about this.

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The zionists started their plan to take palestine in the 1800s. Before WW2. In any case, there is no reason to say the holocaust existed or not. Its not our problem if it happened.

The right of the palestinians is fixed... With or without the holocaust. Thats what we should focus on without derailing into a holocaust existance discussion.

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Can you get in iran pro shah or pro mko books?  I dont think so. Same is in germany. Although there is a going debate about this.



Shah and MKO were never a legitimate government of Iran. MKO is just a terrorist organization, and in no way comparable to the national socialist government in Germany and the SHAH, was backed by and installed by the british and americans, so therefore not a valid comparison.

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