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Thanks for the correction. So, do you know if PAHPAD as an acronym is different from Pahbad as a specific name for a uav?
yes Pahpad is just an acronym in persian languages that equals RPV or UAV in English Language , and Pahbad is not a specific type of a UAV,  in fact we have'nt anything with the name of  Pahbad or any word of Pahbad, pahbad is just a mistyping or misknowledge about real name of Pahpad , even many of iranians havent correct knowledge about word of Pahpad and mistakenly say pahbad.

excuse me if my english is not good and i cant explain it correctly.
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M-ATF, those pictures of the posters you posted on IDF helped with some specifics regarding numbers and project timelines. Thanks!

your welcome. Im glad to see they helped you, you have a nice blog ,
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Ayyash,

Do you recall a new UAV seen in recent parades in Iran that was fairly small with a twin boon tail but instead of having straight wings like the Mohajer but had what appeared to be a LERX (Leading Edge Root Extension)? If you do I would ask that you post the image of it because I have something interesting on the net..

The reason I ask is I found this image of a Bulgarian made UAV called the NITI which is very similar to the drone I mentioned in appearance including the odd wing shape. Interestingly enough, this drone has been exported to Iran's neighbor Turkey..

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I seem to recall it being called the Hod-Hod, though i can't seem to find a picture that shows the other side of the placard with the name on it.

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Ayyash , it seems your blog has been banned in Iran since today. I sent you a PM please check it

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That's a dubious honor i suppose.

You should resend the PM though, i haven't received it.

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here is more pic of Hod-Hod
  

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I need some good explanation, cause I have a problem with the UAV Names

see blow pictures:

we know Mohajer-2 as below looking UAV [on poster]
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this is Mohajer 2 [on poster] !!!
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and this is what known to be Mohajet 4
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While Similar one called Shahin [on poster] (Same as Mohajer-2 & 4) !!!!
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and again guess what now, this new picture called Hod-Hod 1/A [on poster]
while it is similar to (Shahin or Mohajer-4 & 2) ??? ???
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while we know Hod-Hod as below
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any one can Explain
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Many thanks all for the images, the similarity with the Bulgarian drone is striking except of course the different tail design.

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Many thanks all for the images, the similarity with the Bulgarian drone is striking except of course the different tail design.
welcome but what do you mean by (Bulgarian drone is striking except of course the different tail design. )

by the way can you help me with the name that all mixed up!!!

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Well the Bulgarian and Iranian drones are the only ones I think I have ever seen with that distinct wing shape (having a LERX), most UAVs have straight wings unlike these two.

I'm afraid I'm not much help when it comes to Iranian military designations..Not only do they often change they use of the same name over and over makes it rather hard to keep track. Not to mention I largely relay on others translation of posters since I cant read Farsi.

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I'll try to answer as best I can

The Mohajer-2 is definitely the easiest to identify because it's the most numerous and the amount of data availble on it. Versus the other Mohajer series, it's defined by it's cigarette shaped fuselage, landing skids, foreward mounted ball camera, and straight wings.

There are however two areas which seem to vary

a) the nose - some have static, foreward facing cameras in them some don't.

b) The wingtips, on some it appears like the wings are simply straight (as in your #1 and #2 pictures), at a 90 degree angle to the fuselage and that's it. However, on others, it appears like the wings are slightly swept at the tip, or have some flourish (as in your #4 and #5 pictures).

These differences originally led me to conclude that the versions with the camera and the slightly-swept wings were the Mohajer-3 simply by process of elimination.

However, recently i've read that the Mohajer-3 has wheels instead of landing skids which would indicate that the above variances are just that, variances of the Mohajer-2 rather then being a completely new generation. This would of course indicate that we've never seen the Mohajer-3.

With regards to your #1 picture of the Mohajer-2/4 - i think it's just a Mohajer-4 that has been mislabeled as a Mohajer-2. I have no evidence for this, but i'm just defaulting to Occam's Razor on this one - i just don't think there are any other credible explanations. This isn't entirely without precedent either, for instance, i've got a picture of a BTR-60 floating around labeled as a BTR-82.

As to the naming issues in general, you've really hit the nail on the head of what is a really frustrating issue, that is, the tendency of the Iranian military establishment/industry to issue multiple names to single projects, and then reassign those names to similar projects in parallel development.

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As far as i know, the Mohajer-2 has no alternate names.

The Mohajer-3 is also officially known as the "Dorna"

The Mohajer-4 is also officially known as the Hodhod. However, as your pictures indicate, there is also the "Shahin" which is identical in appearance except for various antenna and payloads, which is considered usual in display models and occurs in the Mohajer-2 as well. Of course, the Hodhod is also the name of this drone with the canted double tail boom.

The Iranian version of the Lark has a couple names the Shekarchi, Chamran 2, and possibly as the Toofan. Very confusing!


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See Pasdar I did not get this topic new post in my "Show unread posts since last visit." I just came to this topic throught my history post.
is it possible that somebody know my user and pass ????

anyway,

Ayyash thanks for the reply, sorry I did not know that you already post the answer.
which one you were referring to as Mohajer-3???

that is possible that was a mislabeled about Mohajer-4

if you look closely at UAV behind the Hodhod-1A, it also have the antenna
so this UAV can be called Mohajer-4=Shahin=Hodhod-1A) while Hodhod is another totally different project just .... I do not know what to say.

so anyway, what shall I call this on my achieve!!! hah

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Ayyash thanks for the reply, sorry I did not know that you already post the answer.
which one you were referring to as Mohajer-3???
I used to think that the Mohajer-2 with the forward-facing camera and different wing-tips was the Mohajer-3, but now I think those are only slight variations on the Mohajer-2, not a completely new generation.

The evidence, at this point indicates that we've never seen the Mohajer-3.

if you look closely at UAV behind the Hodhod-1A, it also have the antenna
so this UAV can be called Mohajer-4=Shahin=Hodhod-1A) while Hodhod is another totally different project just .... I do not know what to say.
I think this is correct.
The Shahin and Hodhod-A/1 are just other names for the Mohajer-4.

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thanks my achieve getting organized now.

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I seem to remember a UAV during the 2010 Sacred Defense Week parade with the name "Shahed", but i can't find it now, does anyone else recall this? Maybe i'm confusing it with the Shahin or the Sahand.

The only online text reference to a "Shahed" UAV is in reference to another UAV, back in 2007 when it was advertised as a jet-powered high-speed surveillance drone.

Eagle:
Do you happen to know which, if any, countries S. Africa exported the Seeker II to any countries in Africa or elsewhere? I'm trying to think up alternate explanations for why the Pahpad/Seeker II was seen in Sudan so we can nail down whether Iran was the only possible source, or if Sudan could have got it from somewhere else.
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I seem to remember a UAV during the 2010 Sacred Defense Week parade with the name "Shahed", but i can't find it now, does anyone else recall this? Maybe i'm confusing it with the Shahin or the Sahand.

The only online text reference to a "Shahed" UAV is in reference to another UAV, back in 2007 when it was advertised as a jet-powered high-speed surveillance drone.


Ayyash
I do not have Shahed UAV, what I got is "Sahand" & "Shahin"

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I hope this is not a repeat.  I thought it was interesting:

(Note:  I hope I'm being redundant by saying that given the state of misinformation and factless and unsupported content that is rife on the 'internet' today, naturally, I cannot endorse, believe, support, or accept any of links posted by me or others.  I personally find them interesting, however, as they open new perspectives for me.  I leave it to the reader to glean what they can or want from them).

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Ayyash,

Sorry for the wait, I didnt see your post til now.

From my research of the Seeker I/II (visibly identical) there is not alot of solid evidence on operators of the Seeker but I have found some rumors. According to my research it seems the U.A.E. has imported some and there are strong hints that Algeria has purchased 4-8 of these drones (which makes some sense considering the growing ties between the two states) about a decade ago. So to answer your question the only other African nation to import the type is Algeria.

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The Mohajer-4 is also officially known as the Hodhod. However, as your pictures indicate, there is also the "Shahin" which is identical in appearance except for various antenna and payloads, which is considered usual in display models and occurs in the Mohajer-2 as well. Of course, the Hodhod is also the name of this drone with the canted double tail boom.



Ayyash i was in last parade , i remember there were three UAV with almost the same design, Mohajer , Shahin and Hodhod , Mohajer and Shahin had 2 Antens on top of them and Skid but Mohajer had a military camoflage,Hodhod hadnt skid and antens

Mohajer:


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Hodhod:

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Ayyash i just found this about shahed UAV:

Shahed UAV designed and built by a student in bushehr:






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Ayyash i was in last parade , i remember there were three UAV with almost the same design, Mohajer , Shahin and Hodhod , Mohajer and Shahin had 2 Antens on top of them and Skid but Mohajer had a military camoflage,Hodhod hadnt skid and antens

Mohajer:

Shahin:

Hodhod:



WoooW, brother you are super great,
but what about this picture

it has the antenna and the skid both !!! called HodHod-1A

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The Shahed reminds me of the Tallash-2 target drone.

As to the Mohajer naming, i don't think those slight differences are enough of a difference to say they're different models. And then you get pictures like that one Aminco posted above which indicates the names are interchangeable. The more likely explanation for these differences is that they just weren't fitted to the model for display - you can see the same principle applied with the varying degree to which we see camera-balls fitted to models, some have them, some don't.

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The Shahed reminds me of the Tallash-2 target drone.

As to the Mohajer naming, i don't think those slight differences are enough of a difference to say they're different models. And then you get pictures like that one Aminco posted above which indicates the names are interchangeable. The more likely explanation for these differences is that they just weren't fitted to the model for display - you can see the same principle applied with the varying degree to which we see camera-balls fitted to models, some have them, some don't.

you are right,
here some picture of Talash

so know what we call it Shahed or Talash

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in my photos ,bottom surface of Hodhod and Shahin are different that indicates two different applications for them. i think Hodhod1A is the same Shahin, i look from closer view to Hodhod Shahin and Mohajer, method of Codnaming of SHahin and Mohajer were similar but hodhod was different.


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Ayyash ,i dont know Did i show this Picture to you or not:



in above poster, we can see the name of both Mohajer-4 and Shahin-1 UAV's. i think it means Shahin and Mohajer-4 are different too.

the poster says 19 Mohajer-4's were built in the year of 1384 (around 6 years ago) and 15 Mohajer-4's were bulit in 1385 .
and 6 Shahin-1's were built in 1374 and another 6 Shahin-1's were built in 1385.
in the list we can see the name of Shahed-1 and Shahed-123 , certainly they arent that Talash like UAV with the name of Shahed.

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