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Kabbalah, I have now seen you support Bin Laden on more than one occasion. Can you please provide an explanation.

Osama was a tyrant just like his masters.

Some body give him the link to WAFF. He would be much happier there.

Can one of the mods please change his avatar. We do not want anyone to associate his support for Osama with our President and the IRI.

and again brothers I point out the important point of this whole story revolving around one specific date that made ben laden the enemy of the amerikkkans.... and that date is 9/11!!!! the questions we should ask our selves is what the hell happened that day, and who flew those planes in the twin towers!!! who master minded the whole scenario!!! The Japanese supposedly created pearl harbour attack as a whole nation!!! doesnt anyone wonder how this guy impacted amerikkka more than Japanese as a WHOLE NATION could??? think about it... more people died because of bin laden  than Hiroshima and Nagasaki put together!

Mo in your opinion what happend on 911?

bro there is already a thread on the topic and alot of things are appearing slowly slowy about that incident that point only to one simple fact! It is by all means an inside job, and there is no doubt about it! Alot of unanswered questions as well but they all point the finger to the zionists and Izrael! The thread is there and alot of people are getting aware about the subject that the more they deny it the more people start to believe it was an inside job.... one day the truth will come out and by then ALOT of people inside and outside this forum are going to have to eat their own words! Mark my words bro, when the truth does come out I believe there will be a revolution inside the amerikkka... and the zionist state and amerikkka are using their full power and their resources to debunk what ever proof comes out! the proof is out there, u just have to look for it ur self because alot of people are actually PAID to tell u otherwise! This was the biggest organized criminal act in the world, and professionally done but even professionals make mistakes and the mistakes they left behind cannot be ignored!

for example, I got a friend on facebook whos is really dedacating his whole life to prove that it was an inside job,

this is one of the excuses one of the members here gave me for WTC7 building falling down, have in mind Jeff is an expert in this field!

Me:WTC7, why did it fall by itself? there has never been a building in modern history that a building collapsed like that dute to fire.
User:sure that's true, fire alone hasn't caused a collapse like that, that's why fire combined with structural faults and a unique design that made it espcially vulnerable to raining debris caused the collapse. An argument on WTC7 and this is the excuse he gave me.... structural faults!

now this is Jeff's reply to me....

from “Engineering News-Record” on April 2, 1964, regarding the construction of the Twin Towers:

“Live loads on these [perimeter] columns can be increased more than 2,000% before failure occurs. One could cut away
all the first-story columns on one side of the building, and part way from the corners of the perpendicular sides, and the
building could still withstand design loads and a 100-mph wind force from any direction.”

so u see.... 

And in your opinion how was this carried out and by who?

was there any ''real'' hijackings? (in your opinion)

and as well check the link to this thread in which members failed to respond to it or even try and counter it!

http://www.iranmilitaryforum.net/index.php?topic=7322.0

Mo, countering something that doesn't warrant countering is a waste of time.  You're basically saying the sky is made of halvah and then asking someone to 'counter' that.  That's setting your expectations a bit too high.  I've already wasted time....  But I'll tell you what: prove the sky is not made of halvah, then we can move to the towers.  Please consider how you come across when you talk about 9/11.  At the end the burden is on you to prove the nonobvious and not on us to prove the obvious.  And of course you havent done that. You are deeply mistaken if what you claim is any less outrageous and flooky than a halvah sky.

Mamdali

So you're saying Iraq did it?

I'm not a conspiracist  but find a little cynicism healthy now and then. Nothing, absolutely nothing, is beyond the American leadership and this has been proven historically. They conspired against the public when justifying the Iraq war and it has so far caused more deaths than the 9/11 attacks. And then we have other incidents such as the Gulf of Tonkin...

So, again, I'm not saying 9/11 was an inside job (most likely it was not) but I wouldn't rule it out as a possibility. I'd describe Mo's theory as a known unknown

I'm not a conspiracist  but find a little cynicism healthy now and then. Nothing, absolutely nothing, is beyond the American leadership and this has been proven historically. They conspired against the public when justifying the Iraq war and it has so far caused more deaths than the 9/11 attacks. And then we have other incidents such as the Gulf of Tonkin...

So, again, I'm not saying 9/11 was an inside job (most likely it was not) but I wouldn't rule it out as a possibility. I'd describe Mo's theory as a known unknown

Barberry, I agree with what you just said. But notice the subtle yet crucial difference between how you and Mo position this.  You discuss possibilities, and of course anything is possible, and it is possible that 9/11 was an 'inside job', albeit extremely improbable.  Nobody can argue against that position.  It is mathematically possible air molecules in a room can randomly aggregate towards a corner of a room, although the chance of that is extremely low and probably hasn't happened since Mo invented air. Speaking of Mo, on the other hand, he claims it is probable this happened, which is, frankly, flooky,  Claiming 9/11 was/is an 'inside job' puts a huge dent in ones credibility and their powers of reasoning and logic, which considering Mo's mostly sensible posts, it is paradoxical to put it mildly.

Mamdali

He was certainly killed a few days ago.  I have no reason to question that.  OBL was not a friend of Iranians and Shi'a so good riddance.  However, I do find the information fed through the media as almost certainly not the whole story.  The obvious hole is the size of the complex he was living in and whether the Pakistanis knew about it or not.  I personally find it hard to believe Pakistan didn't know.  What's interesting, and a simple conclusion US media neglects to make, is that if Pakistan knew then they couldn't sit on this information for long, and considering the relationships between Pakistani and US intelligence services, then the US knew as well.  This leads to two things:  1. This long elaborate story about a 10 year hunt and putting pieces together is bull and 2. how long did the US know?

This gap I described opens up a series of viable scenarios about the how's and why's of killing OBL now.

Mamdali

If i can speak for each of us who don't buy the official story.... BTW Did you miss that Alex Jones video posted above?...anyway... Those of us who don't buy the stuff coming out of Washington or Zionist media are worried that stuff like this is used against Muslims, specifically against Afghans and Pakistanis which are really being thrown around like toys. Also some of us are worried about the future of US, they use these things to create fear in people and abuse that to backtrack on democratic institutions, and create excuses for military spending and so on.

My point is, we are not trying to defend Bin Laden or "wahabi's" or anything like that. This isn't about that but about the effects of such propaganda measures.

911 conspiracists are generally of two kinds, the uneducated or the indocrinated. The idea that the US "govt" orchestrated 911 is simply absurd.

Do you realize that the twin towers fell at the exact acceleration rate of gravity when corrected for air friction?

That means each and every floor "gave away", leading to zero friction and a free fall.

This can only be done by taking out the huge beams that support each and every floor. Matter of fact anyone who buys into the American regime's conspiracy theory is either uneducated or indoctrinated to think America wouldn't kill its own civilians for gain.

The people who threw black people over ships, caused a genocide of native indians, a genocied of Iraqis, used two nuclear weapons of different types (plutonium and uranium), bombed Laos to bits, created a lie to invade Vietnam and sold Saddam Hussein chemical weapons are to be trusted with their pretext to going to war?

THATS absurd.

Engineers who have a career have created a organization to expose the US regimes conspiracy theory. You my friend are the uneducated one if you think your government wouldn't kill 3,000 'workers' in order to create a pretext for war.

Your government is the same government who used nuclear weapons.
WHO STARVED 1.5 MILLION Iraqis, artificially kept the price of wheat high and at the same time created unfair economic agreements to cripple nations into starvation.

You are the indoctrinated and uneducated.